Well I guess I’ll be mozying over to Rumble now.
20 minutes later
Turns out Jews are aliens directing the Democratic Party and Hollywood to sacrifice babies for adrenochrome. Why is the lamestream media not talking about this???
right wing: “JEWS ARE EVIL”
Also, right wing: “Jews in Israel are fighting a rightious war against evil Gazans”
🤨
“I hate you, but I hate these guys even more. Nice job”
Also a ‘I hate you but, you build a nice ethnostate that I want to adapt over where I live.’
It all becomes clear once you understand that the Jews returning to Israel is a precondition for the Christian apocalypse. Christofascists don’t give a flying fuck about the Jews; they support Israel as a country (and Zionism in particular) for the entirely ghoulishly selfish reason that they wanna get ‘raptured.’
Imagine being Jewish and on either side people hate you.
Right wing: Jews are behind everything
Left wing: Jews are zionists and zionists are Nazis because Israel.
I don’t think left wing people are hating on Jewish people, except maybe those crazy “Marxist-Leninist” types. Not all Jewish people are pro-Natanyahu, in fact, many are probably against Netanyahu.
God I was looking for peertube apps and rumble was advertised in the app store. Boy did I have a surprise when I scrolled through the most subscribed list
Yeah, don’t do that. The most popular content on YouTube isn’t bad in the same way it is on Rumble/Odyssey, but in general, it’s filled with clickbait/rage bait and is generally pretty awful. It’s going to be especially awful on Rumble and Odyssey because it’s a refuge for people who didn’t like YouTube’s policies, so it’s going to largely be conspiracy theorists and far right nonsense.
That said, there’s some good on every platform. On Rumble, I like Glenn Greenwald, who is a right of center independent journalist who lives in Brazil (also gay, but that’s irrelevant). On Odyssey, I like Mental Outlaw (covers hacks, leaks, and privacy related news) and Naomi Brockwell (privacy advocacy). I don’t have an account at either, largely because those platforms are full of trash, I just sub through Grayjay so I don’t see that nonsense.
I wish a credible alternative existed, but for now, I’ll hedge a bit with other platforms.
I remember, pre-wikileaks, when Glen Greenwald was left of center. Or at least that was my perspective at the time.
I’d watch the shit outta that with some popcorn. Between the logic jumps and the mandatory hand-waving of actual evidence to the contrary, and sheer numbers of fallacies to make the argument make sense it sounds like a hella entertaining time
Lol.
There’s some decent content if you look. I like Glenn Greenwald, and I sub to NBTV and Mental Outlaw on Odyssey. There’s a lot of nonsense on all platforms, but if you’re careful, you may find some decent stuff there. I wish more YouTubers would re-upload on other platforms, but I guess that’s asking too much…
i use ublock origin
reddit still good for something: Filter Lists–>uBlock filters–>uncheck the “ublock filters - quickfixes” box and then reload the page.
this worked for me
Yup, I use ublock origin and have never had issues on YT.
They do random testing. I’ve received one of these a couple of times with unlock as well. Google/yt has not fully committed.
I hope they don’t commit. But if they do, I guess that’ll be the end of YT for me…
Yeah you and a lot of people. There’s a couple articles about it but essentially there’s some talk of pushback.
And personally for me there are alternatives that people could use. While not a lot of people are on it, peertube is a viable alternative. I’ve watched a couple of small creators on it and it ha good performance. Just a very small audience.
Makertube is one of my favorites.
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I didn’t screencap it but today on YT I was given a modal that said I was using an adblocker (ublock) and I have three more videos before they require premium. I changed VPN locations and stopped getting the message.
Yea this is also what I had to do to get things moving again.
Fuck reddit, this solution did not work for me. All YouTube videos stop buffering after 59 seconds. Only fixes i have found is with either making a custom userscript or disabling ublock from working on YouTube by whitelisting the entire domain.
Or you could download freetube and be done with it
I find the adblock yt prompt only shows now when I try to open two tabs of YouTube. Second tab has this message but the first plays fine. I think ublock probably deployed a half fix already
Rip chrome. It just killed ublock for me yesterday
Yep, used the reddit solution.
Huh, I was able to just close the pop-up and play the video as normal.
The whole idea that it violates the terms of service of a company to not let them show things on my screen without my consent is insane. It’s like if every time you went to the grocery store, the employees held you down and force fed you a free sample, then banned you from the store when you started running away from them.
It’s not that bizarre. They don’t have to serve you the content without showing you the ads that make the platform profitable. The freedom goes both ways. I use an ad blocker too, but I don’t think that YouTube is really doing anything wrong here. (Other than possibly ruining their own platform, but that’s their problem that they’re making for themselves.)
If they weren’t a monopoly, I’d agree, they can do whatever they want.
But since they are a monopoly, its a de facto the equivalent of a town square, and they are policing people’s speech, and broadcasting annoying public announcements that nobody wants to hear.
A privately owned platform cannot serve the public good. There will always be conflicts of interest. A proper public square should be funded by a competent government (but those are rare) or decentralized.
I hate the way they‘re doing it and how they push their silly premium subscription in my face whenever I open the app to look something up quick. Adblock all the way. But you‘re right. They have to make money somehow. They‘re a corporation after all. It‘s naive to think they will ever give up.
I’m imagining a future where you’re not allowed to mute broadcast commercials
Fifteen Million Merits - Black Mirror - 2011
Please drink verification can.
I mean they already show ads when you pause. It’s just a tiny jump further to play video ads when you pause.
You already often can’t mute ads directly, you can only mute them on whatever platform you’re watching them on.
The whole idea that it violates the terms of service of a company to not let them show things on my screen without my consent is insane.
Something something contract of adhesion something something. It is functionally a term of service to watch the whole body of content as a condition of watching any of it.
It’s like if every time you went to the grocery store, the employees held you down and force fed you a free sample, then banned you from the store when you started running away from them.
This effectively used to be how people would sell Time Share rentals. You would “win” a “free vacation” to a destination that hosted the time share. Then, in order to check in you needed to sit through a sales pitch that only ended when you agreed to purchase the unit you’d allegedly been awarded as a prize.
If you tried to leave the sales pitch prematurely, you were ejected from the venue.
Yeah, and there’s a reason contracts of adhesion are [supposed to be] illegal.
Incoming Meat Canyon video
It’s worse than that. They use so much bw that most users have limited higher -speed to access, but they’re not giving anyone vouchers to pay for extra bandwidth.
I just got the same warning on FF with uBlock. Both Freetube and NewPipe seem to be fine though. I guess Freetube it is until uBlock is patched.
Edit: Also, glad I’m not the only human watching Grossi’s videos today lol.
I just checked a bunch of random videos, ff with uBlock, none of them displayed this message.
I believe they tend to roll these out in batches. It creates less uproar than hitting everyone at once.
Freetube ftw
There is a fix for ublock, go into the ublock provided lists and disable the quick fixes list
I kinda miss when places would host their own videos instead of relying on youtube, but that’s the problem of a centralized internet, the majority of people won’t want to leave yt/ig/fb/tiktok/twitter/reddit in order to watch or read whatever you posted.
Centralisation and large scale has it’s benefits. There were also many problems with everybody hosting their stuff by themselves. Enshittification is results of private companies having to go profit first (and google being google of course), not so much because they are the only game in town. Being the monopoly merely enables the shitting on users for profit. I see youtube and many google services more like internet’s utilities that are privately owned and that is causing problems, not that they have gotten so big.
Also self-hosted video often has really shitty players.
And the reddit hug of death issue…
What’s the Fediverse YouTube? ooof. that’s a tough nut.
No one understands the astronomical bandwidth, CPU/GPU intensive calcs, and data storage necessities required to do anything close to what YouTube currently does.
There is no way under this warm sun that a fediverse version of YouTube will ever be feasible, unless someone like literally yourself is willing to pay extraordinary high amounts of money for all the required infrastructure and daily maintenance to run it.
I would want to see some data on costs, because I think you might be overselling the difficulty and cost a bit (I don’t actually know, just my good faith belief). Imagine if every content creator ran their own instance. Instead of needing to worry about every user coming to a single group of servers, the Creator only needs to worry about the cost of hosting their own content and the traffic they get.
With the number of YouTubers who have to get sponsorships and Patreon anyway, it doesn’t really seem that infeasible or unreasonable to expect content creators to run their own thing or pay to have someone else to do it. Doesn’t seem like the YouTube money is that lucrative, anymore, so not like it would be all that different, either.
https://gbtimes.com/how-much-does-youtube/
Estimated annual server cost: approximately $1 billion
Estimated annual data center cost: approximately $5 billion
Estimated annual bandwidth cost: $3 billion
Good luck running that shit from your closet server.
Sure, but you’re assuming all content is on one server. With something like PeerTube, content is federated.
That said, I don’t think federation is the solution here because a popular video is going to completely swamp that instance, but something P2P would probably work if you can stream from multiple seeders. Even if you copy like we do w/ Lemmy, you’d still end up with a handful of instances that are way more popular than the rest and those would get hammered if there’s a particularly popular video.
If you can spread that $6B (ignoring bandwidth here) over 10M people, you end up with a very reasonable $600/year, and costs would go down as more people join the network. I also assume a lot of that is duplication to handle demand spikes, which is baked in to the P2P system, so a P2P system would probably be way cheaper to scale up.
If you read the links, this includes their server clusters and employees across the entire world all doing complex load balancing and maintenance.
Sure, and none of that is necessary with a proper P2P system. If I’m torrenting something, it’ll naturally pull from seeders near me over seeders on the other side of the planet, so load balancing happens by every client being greedy.
The complex load balancing is only necessary because it’s a centralized service.
This protocol already exists and so does the system, PeerTube.
Why no significant quantity of people use it is apparent after you try it for a while; the entire server system cannot handle the commensurate volume of content and interactions that YouTube is popular for.
but something P2P would probably work if you can stream from multiple seeders
Which is, in fact, exactly how PeerTube works: it’s got BitTorrent built right into it.
Frankly, it’s ridiculous how people keep harping on this “problem” as if it isn’t long since solved.
I thought it was largely federated? I don’t know how the internals work, so I don’t know what group of peers it’ll pull from.
Regardless, the problem PeerTube has little to do with its technical foundation IMO, but the network effect. If we get people to start using it, either we’ll fix it or we’ll develop something better, but getting creators to move is the first step.
According to that first link, it costs $6.1 billion to $11.7 billion annually to run YouTube. Even if you segment that into niche video communities, it’ll still cost hundreds of millions of dollars annually to host it, if you get a decent amount of traffic.
This is why YouTube is a monopoly. Because they have the ridiculous amount of money to throw at a “free” video hosting site. Any other video host would crumble under the weight of YouTube’s level of traffic. That’s also why some others, like Nebula, require a subscription model to function. Or any movie/TV show streaming service. They can’t afford to host that stuff for free.
This is also why Google is so obsessed with cracking down on anti-ad software. That’s how they make the money that pays for YouTube.
According to this, as of Jan 2024 there were 14 Billion videos on Yt. So effectively a dollar and change to host a video for all YT users.
Obviously it doesn’t work like that, but if the above commenter’s point was that I, a content creator, host my video and manage my own costs, and that video is linked via whatever federation, I can monetize and limit as needed as a creator, thus popular videos get paid to host, and unpopular videos are hosted for more or less table stakes because they’re only getting X hits per Month.
Some kind of WordPress-like container with a built-in safety switch for overages and - hey presto. Well, it’s a thought anyway.
I dunno, it seems do-able, even if the Great Unwashed are going to stick with YT and getting ads up the wazoo to see “I Stuffed My Face In A Fusion Reactor - Watch What Happens Next” and the like.
Several tried. Nothing as elaborate as cross dissemination, federation or whatever. But at least 5 to 10 years ago it proved to be almost impossible. Platforms like Rooster teeth, which was 100% subscription based, I think never broke even and still relied on YT ads for the majority of the revenue. Some big and small channels tried to at least just catalog, archive and serve their own videos and the costs still became astronomical really fast. Whenever you see one of those very old channels, most of them don’t conserve copies, let alone original source footage of their entire material. Everyone just delete their videos once they’ve been on YouTube for a month or so now, and they have to download their own videos when they want to reuse old footage.
Storage is cheap today, yes, but video really eats storage at an alarming rate. Specially now that 4k is the standard. So you have to reuse storage over and over. Transcoding is also really fast and optimized with modern algorithms, but it takes specialized graphical cards and data centers charge a premium to use servers with such capacities. Self hosting will never be able to satisfy a moderate demand. Get anything above 100 users simultaneously transcoding videos and a non-specialized server will halt to a grind just on IO calls to hard drives alone.
Once you consider all those factors it is obvious why YouTube is such a miracle.
It’s such a miracle becuase the world gave it all of their content for free.
At least in part.
Monetization. Tumbleweed content-wise. Some content producers make content for money.
Media reach: Content is stored, where the consumers look for it.
What part of “bittorrent” do you not understand? I am really getting fucking sick and tired of people like you posting this bullshit FUD.
PeerTube uses WebTorrent protocol and it still doesn’t do well with the same quantity of bandwidth demands.
Post your own self-hosted PeerTube instance for us all to use then, let’s see who’s correct. Otherwise provide a solution or shut the fuck up.
Peertube, but it’s really not nearly the replacement lemmy or mastodon are.
Yet. It’s still very new, and as enshittification increases, so will federated development.
Reddit is mostly text, with a few images for memes, very low in storage, processing power, or bandwidth, its easy to have a fediverse replacement.
Youtube is a video platform. Video take a lot of storage, encoding/decoding, bandwidth…
And video platforms are small amount of content creators, with 99 percent of the users being non-content-creating viewers. Once the content creators are on a monopoly platform (like youtube), there’s no incentive for them to leave. And fediverse wouldn’t have the same money to make.
In contrast, anyone can find interesting links to post to a Reddit-alternative, anyone can make memes.
TLDR: Reddit is community-focused. Youtube is creator-focused. Difference in hardware requirements. Theres no practical alternative for Youtube, especially not a fediverse one.
YT Shorts maybe
I blocked the popup…
Looks like google needs more broken up!
War, War never changes.
Just replace the watch?v= with embed/
Delete this, YouTube will catch on and block this workaround.
Edit: disregard. Here is a custom GreaseMonkey/ViolentMonkey userscript to automatically do this for you:
// ==UserScript== // @name YouTube to Embed Redirect (Desktop & Mobile) // @namespace http://tampermonkey.net/ // @version 1.1 // @description Redirects YouTube video URLs (desktop and mobile) to their embed version. // @author BaroqueInMind // @match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v* // @match https://m.youtube.com/watch?v* // @grant none // ==/UserScript== (function() { 'use strict'; // Extract the video ID from the URL const videoId = new URLSearchParams(window.location.search).get('v'); if (videoId) { // Redirect to the embed URL window.location.href = `https://www.youtube.com/embed/$%7BvideoId%7D`; } })();Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if some of the employees are watching threads like this one.
BTW, go fuck yourself, YouTube devs!
im not so sure the devs have fault in any of this though
They likely use adblocks themselves.
Mine’s different:
Haven’t got this yet.
I always wonder what part of the world those who do are in. Cuz I get the feeling YouTube is only doing this shit in certain regions. Or if it’s just a hiccup with the adblocker itself, because it was shown pretty early on when these reports first started being posted that it was an issue with AdBlock Plus as well as there being workarounds for uBlock Origin due to some buggy Firefox updates.
Germany here.
My brother in Canada got hit with it. Using the temp fix OP posted here seems to work for now.
Yeah, they’re trying new things again. Gotta squeeze that stone for all the blood that’s in it.
One of my accounts has been getting a long delay before the video starts. Pre-roll ads are trying to load and play but the add-ons I have installed are still stopping them from completely succeeding. For now.
I also have auto-play turned off, and I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Pretty sure the systems at their side think that I’m seeing the ads because I’ve had pop-ups during the delay offering free Premium.
I just saw this on my phone for the first time ever about 20 minutes ago
I use Firefox on Linux Mint, none of this happens and if it does you fix it by copy pasting a code on the settings of ublock
