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To be fair, if our AI was as capable as his AI vibe coding would be viable.
Everything in the Marvel Universe is just wizards. Nobody is coding. Nobody is engineering. Nobody is doing anything more technical than “Hit him with a bigger rock”.
Tony is just a wizard doing wizard shit in stylized techno-pastiche.
Yeah, Tony was capable of doing whatever the writers wrote him to be capable of, just like every other fictional character. And the writers wrote him doing it in a manner similar to the “programming” in Swordfish or the tech work in NCIS (or whatever show it was that had multiple people typing on one keyboard at the same time). As in difficult to tell if they had any understanding of it at all, sensationalised it for entertainment purposes, deliberately made it unlike any real programming to troll people who do understand programming, or some combination of all those.
MCU science might as well just be another school of magic. Especially when Tony’s suit could shapeshift and convert between matter and energy because of some quantum mumbo jumbo. He just cast a quantum spell on it.
Also every movie had multiple impacts in that iron suit that should have been worse for him than most car crashes.
I mean, I don’t really object to the premise of the character - Batman-like super genius who stacks the deck in his favor by building a bunch of cool gadgets to get him out of tight spots. But I agree, its far more fun to see a character like Tony run up against the limits of his gadgetry than to hand him the Super Science “I Win Button” and wait until the last five minutes of the show to press it.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s decent entertainment. It’s just disconnected from any kind of scientific or technical reality and a part of me is rolling my eyes for a lot of it. And maybe a bit frustrated because I like thinking about things and analyzing and problem solving. I prefer hard magic systems over soft magic ones because there’s no point in thinking about soft magic systems because they just do whatever the plot calls for when it calls for it while hard magic systems have to build up to it and need to be clever to surprise viewers.
Tony uses a soft technology system that defies thought.
A sufficiently advanced technology even
when you code an actual AI like Jarvis, it’s ok to vibe code with it for the rest of your days
It’s fiction, so it’ll have differences from reality.
In speulative fiction, the only rule is to make it interesting for whoever consuming it.
A vibe programmer that built a palm-sized fusion reactor in a cave over the course of 3 months with a single companion? Perfectly respectable to me. And he probably made his own AI too :)
I’ve always imagined peak programming as building up from low level languages, putting on some layers of abstraction and automatization written by yourself, and end up writing some trivial commands to produce very interesting outputs… Who knows? Maybe throwing around some holograms and voice-commands asking for nonsense. It doesn’t get much more vibey than that.
Programming in vim and emacs does look like that lol.
So what i get out of this is if you make your own homemade llm then we can call it “vibe” coding. Otherwise, if your just farting around on sone corporate data mining llm then it’s fart coding?
A vibe programmer that built a palm-sized fusion reactor in a cave over the course of 3 months with a single companion
With a box o scraps!
He leaves out that the “box of scraps” was essentially a complete selection of all the parts used by his company to make their weapons. He was basically given a couple each of every Lego set ever (already assembled !) and then tore them apart to make one big thing. It’s impressive, but it’s not like he reinvented modern technology from scratch. I’d call that “vibe engineering” at worst.
This meme made me feel better about myself. Been copy pasting from Stack overflow for more than a decade, vibe coding was a real step up for me.
Not quite there yet, still waiting on the holographic AI hardware design. Coming soon I hear.
Well, he had to be, programming his own AI basically by himself.
Have I misunderstood the term vibe coder? I thought it meant people who weren’t good at coding. I thought Stark’s whole thing was that he’s a genius. Is he notoriously bad at software but good with hardware or something?
vibe coding is when you let an llm write almost all your code, taking its output at face value. tony stark in the films just vaguely describes to his computer what he wants and trusts that it does the right thing.
I think the underlying understanding is that Tony wrote the AI he’s asking to write the code. So, in effect, the AI he built is a form of scripting. Rather than spending his time churning out code, the AI will churn out code that’s up to his standard because he wrote the AI.
From my understanding a vibe coder is someone who builds software using mainly AI generated code. It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a bad coder, but often the code generated by AI is just hard to process at this scale and people will have no clue what exactly is going on in their project.
if they build software using mainly ai generated code, then they are a bad coder
Even if you’re the one that built, programmed, and trained the AI when nothing else like it existed?
So? Some of the people pushing out ai slop would be perfectly capable of writing their own llm out of widely available free tools. Contrary to popular belief, they are not complex pieces of software, just extremely data hungry. Does not mean they magically understand the code output by the llm when it spits out something.
out of widely available free tools
I think you missed the part where “nothing like it even existed”
so? someone invented current llms too. Nothing like them existed before either. If they vibe coded with them they’d still be producing slop.
Coding an llm is very very easy. What’s not easy is having all the data, hardware and cash to train it.
The point is that no vibe coder could design an LLM without an LLM already existing. The math and tech behind machine learning is incredible, whatever you may think. Just because we can spin up new ones at will doesn’t mean we ever could have skipped ahead and built Jarvis in 2008, even if all of society was trying to do so - because they were trying.
In the fictional universe where a human could singlehandedly invent one from scratch in 2008 with 3D image generation and voice functionality that still exceeds modern tech… yeah, that person and their fictional AI wouldn’t necessarily be producing slop.
I’m still a fan of the theory that the only thing he was good at was creating was ai
In the MCU? He hand built multiple suits, and designed all of the others himself. It even states that he designed his first engine when he was like 4 I think in the first movie. He was worse at creating AI than his actual mechanical and electrical engineering skills, as portrayed in the films. Comics are of course a separate matter.
But he wasn’t. At least in the movie version, he and Banner had failed a few times, maybe more we didn’t see on screen. Something happened when Tony wasn’t there that sparked Ultron to become aware and catch Jarvis off guard. I’d give him credit for getting it 99% of the way there, same with Vision, but he didn’t make that final jump, it happened on its own.
And Jarvis wasn’t AGI. Seems like it to us, but since Ultron was apparently the big moment of A(G)I in the MCU even with Jarvis being around all that time, he was just a very flexible and even self-aware scripting that would never do something on his own accord, only following Tony’s orders. I think even Ultron catches on to that in the brilliant few seconds of waking and realization with his “why do you call him Sir?”
Falls apart due to cave situation. No jarvis for first suit or mini arc reactor
And he was “good at it” because he could afford the hardware/menial labor to train the initial AI models.
