tiktok kids: “this man unal//ved h//mself”
also tiktok kids: here the full text of Osama binladen’s letter calling for global jihad uwu
I mean all the unalive stuff is due to tiktok censorship, not any principle of the kids
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calling for global jihad
No it doesnt
yes huh
No, it calls out lobbyists, and israeli occupation of palestine. No mention of a global jihad
I haven’t read whatever letter you guys are talking about and frankly I don’t give a fuck what it says.
Find someone better to quote than fucking Osama bin Laden. Jesus Christ.
In case anyone wants to read it:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To the American people.pdf
I think that’s the letter in question. It starts of talking about “Jewish control of capital,” which is like antisemitic conspiracy theory 101
that’s not it. this is the Bin Laden’s letter to america : https://archive.ph/7svAc
This is NOT the letter! I found the exact same page when I searched for it, I don’t know where this is from, but it is not Bin Laden’s letter.
If you want to find it, search for the page from The Guardian (they have removed the text but the page is still around) and use the Wayback Machine.
it’s not? who wrote it then? he refers to bombing us…
i agree, the antisemitism struck me as well. but the israeli government is far right. that needs to end because it will destroy the jewish people as outside forces never could.
I mean, if people want to waste their time reading the manifesto of a terrorist, they should and least make it interesting and read that of the Unabomber.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not the type to go around posting terrorist manifestos lol. It’s only because this was in the news
terrorism is about action, not views.
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he does!
Then you only saw part of it
i read all of it. not once did he call for anyone to be any religion. he noted how israel has oppressed palestinians, noted similarities between how britain was pro-wealthy against the colonists and our situation now where corporations buy the laws they want, courts side with them, and presidents are just “train conductors” who must drive on the tracks laid down by lobbyists. he mentions unending war and its costs, suggests we have a revolution like that which started out country, says 9/ll was because we sent people out to kill in afghanistan and it was still going on. he notes that tho politicians claimed it was to help afghanistan and for our own security back home, it’s really about oil and its the further bloat bloated fat cats.
a “terrorist” is someone who uses force to try to get their way. their way s and views could be wrong or right or a mix. but there’s nothin whatsoever about a turning anyone muslim.
tl;dr he says our govt is an oligarchy, we should rebel, and he bombed us to get us to go away, and also to stop supporting israel in oppressing palestine.
This letter?
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To the American people.pdf
Maybe “global jihad” is not explicitly there, but it calls for “the blood of Christians”
Edit: this may not be the right letter
not that one, here is the letter from the guardian : https://archive.ph/7svAc
right, specifically united states christians supporting the occupation and killing of palestinians
For those out of the loop/who have forgotten: A lot of Christians got really into “Israel” around the turn of the century because of the weird end times native they liked. In the “rapture” idea (like the “Left Behind” books), Israel has to exist as a state (maybe with all the territory Palestine was made up of) before the rapture could happen. So they got really into Israel as a foreign policy objective, and this included the Bush Jr administration.
To be clear, though: Israel has to exist and there can’t be any Jews in it before the second coming of Jesus can happen. But the Palestinians have to die first.
The Israeli government understood this but figured they may as well take advantage of it while it was popular.
Bin Laden? I thought you were dead!
The entire second half of the letter is about how he’s demanding that the entire world convert to Islam for him to stop blowing women and children up.
Being pro-Palestine is so trendy at the moment that some people will unthinkingly parrot any rhetoric that criticises Israel, even if it’s horrific anti-semitic remarks like these.
I think a big part of this story is the Streisand effect. A lot of people are talking about the letter itself, whether it should be accessible for academic reasons, the propaganda aspect, why it was effective back then, etc.
I’m sure there are also people supporting it, both kids being edgy and people being awful. The part that’s cloudy is how many are doing that, and how many are talking about the situation itself
Which ones
Have you read the Bin Laden letter?
Yes.
So what part do you need help with then? The anti-semitism isn’t exactly disguised.
you havent provided any yet
No, Bin Laden did 20 years ago in that letter you say you’ve read.
But do the parts about governments “surrendering to Jews”, talking about how the creation of Israel was a “crime that needed to be erased”, that the Jews have “taken control of the economy, the media and now control all aspects of life, making you their servants” ring a bell?
well, technically, the whole “creation of Israel” thing is just the propagation of colonialism and about as morally justifiable as Rwanda.
most of the other stuff was just conspiracy shit, tho.
we might be talking about different letters, this is the one that I’ve been seeing referenced
According to some newer reports the TikToks only went viral after a tweet complaining about them went viral.
For anyone who want to read the Bin Laden’s letter to america from the guardian : https://archive.ph/7svAc
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
A 9/11 families group called out TikTok on Friday over a letter by Osama bin Laden that has recently gone viral.
“It is appalling to witness younger Americans voicing sympathy for bin Laden’s dangerous and antisemitic worldview 22 years after our nation was horrifically attacked and our loved ones were callously murdered by Islamists who were financially supported by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and at Osama bin Laden’s direction.”
Bin Laden’s 2002 “Letter to America,” which was published nearly a year after the 9/11 attacks, has recently made its rounds online.
Many videos showed support for the al Qaeda leader’s argument and suggested to others that they read the letter in light of the U.S.’s backing of Israel in its war against the militant Palestinian group Hamas.
“Content promoting this letter clearly violates our rules on supporting any form of terrorism,” TikTok Policy posted on X, formerly known as Twitter.
The number of videos praising bin Laden’s argument is not large, TikTok said, despite some reportedly garnering hundreds of thousands of views and likes.
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