and make MAGA Place pay for it?

Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they’re congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.

In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but in Lemmy we’re the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.

Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured [email protected] and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.

Wait, really? I think that happened with /r/murica too.

Bunch of Snowflakes trying to act like a Tough Walls

Most of America has disagreed with them for idk 150 years now.

What is that supposed to mean? America was founded by people who basically invented the concept of human rights as a legal term. I think England had a few rights in their constitution like the right to a Jury trial and stuff. America wasn’t perfect. People don’t understand that no slavery wasn’t really an option before the industrial revolution because slavery was the industry. Not that it makes it okay, just that you’d get conquered by literally everyone else if you didn’t have them. This is why every ancient society had slaves. It’s not just because they were evil, they were in ways, just like modern humans are in ways. It’s that societies which couldn’t defend themselves were enslaved themselves or absorbed into someone’s religious authoritarianism. Yet there is also ways they are morally superior to us, like, you used to be able to retire, to own land, to warn real money as a normal person that didn’t just evaporate away. Most governments used to only have a couple hundred laws at most, now there are hundreds of thousands of laws for governments to tear apart your life with.

We have progressed in ways sure, but also regressed in other ways. Modern humans are monotheistic. Much of the world polices which imaginary God you are allowed to worship. Humans have about as much dignity these days as slaves did in the classical world. Maybe a few more rights, particularly for minorities.

The U.S and France was the first country to actually escape full blown theocracy in 1500 years. The U.S and France were the first country where most people were equal under the law. Yes they thought Africans and Indians were less then human, but it was progress. The U.S abandoned slavery as soon as it had industry, so did Britain and most other countries.

The past 150 years, after the civil war has been a steady progress of states losing power, particularly in America. Your average American for the last 150 years despised government surveillance, they despised even the state and enforcers of the state. They despised taxes. They were almost unanimously in their support for free speech, protest, and free media. Hillary Clinton is the first candidate to even suggest censorship without getting laughed out yet it still cost her the election, Trump is losing much of his support because of the anti American agenda he has, but America has become quite stupid in recent years.

Much of this is because of economic hardship. Psychologists have known for some time that when people are hungry they develop mild schizophrenic type symptoms, like finding patterns where there are none, superstitious thinking, having a heightened sense of fear. This is essentially a way for animals to survive when things get hard. Americans are becoming dumber and more schizo because 40% of Americans don’t have jobs, and our country has no welfare, 90% of the country has no liquid of excess wealth. 50% of the country is in poverty. We are entering the phase of hyperinflation. For the past 10 years or so inflation has been around 7-15%. By the end of the year, we will be spending 600 billion on interest payments on U.S bonds, with much of it coming up to be refinanced within 5 years. That is about 1/4 of all tax income, and about 1/8 of the federal budget.

Yet our state is more concerned with mass surveillance, imperialism, mass migration, more taxes on the poor, less for the rich. Maybe things wouldn’t be so bad if the rich people of the world weren’t doing nearly everything in their power to destroy America, because they hate liberalism.

Why do they hate liberalism so much? Because they see the world as being overpopulated which is true. They see humanity as a mold on the earth, which is also partially true. They hate the old world where the little guy is not being managed. If ever there was a time to unify, it is now. They will use religion or anything else to try to get there way. If you have even a single bit of hate in your heart or a weakness in your moral character, they will use it against you. Any stupid regis belief you have, they will use it against you. The right move right now is to vote Democrat, at least for your own sake, and to try to break up the power of the state and the rich so we can put them on trial some day. They are trying to decide us because people are waking up. They are taking advantage of our psychology and human nature to divide us. This is what I mean by weakness in your morality. Not religious morality. That won’t cut it anymore. It has too many flaws, I mean true morality, as you know in your heart what is right. Most people do if they listen to it. This determines the future. The way your neighbors see you. We cannot survive unless we get our neighbors out of this mind control cult of the state. We have to get them to stop watching their propagandists, and eventually we all need to stop voting for their politicians and giving them false legitimacy. It’s hard right now because they are going after our basic humanity. Trump is literally trying to classify my people as subhuman and terrorists, but in between voting for Democrats, we need to reach out to our conservative neighbors and tell them, if you can stop voting for them, I can also. If you can see the humanity in me, as someone you are told to hate, we can unify and fight the true enemy, and actually gain both of our freedom.

The American ideas are freedom, liberty, and justice for all. It’s democracy and freedom from religion. It’s about rejecting kings and arming the common man.

Theory vs Practice

Christianity in bible vs Christians

Communism in theory vs “Communists” in practice

Its like every ideology ever. People preach their scripture, but never actually practice it.

they are literally living in an alternative reality

Hmm, reminds me of a country that starts with R that the current US president’s trying to save.

The best way to defeat a huge baby is to take its blankie and become the baby yourself.

that’s good. they should vet any new mods on their own spaces pretty thoroughly though. the chuds on reddit played a very long game to get to the point where they can do that they do now

Good!

That’s what it’s for!

We don’t need to censor something for everyone just because we don’t like what’s being said!

Yeah and why the big deal? I didn’t notice any signs saying the fediverse is only for lefties. I may not agree with conservatives but that doesn’t mean I think they should be excluded.