They’re welcome to it.
As far as I’m concerned, this is the entire benefit of lemmy/piefed/etc… They can have their space, and any other instance can choose not to federate with them so we aren’t forced to listen to them, unlike the alternative, where an algorithm forces them into everyone’s face.
Rather than telling them they don’t have the right to speak, we simply have the ability to shut our window and not listen to them.
Let them bitch at each other.
Can we build a wall around them?
and make MAGA Place pay for it?
This one gets it
I disagree with them being welcome, if we have more fascists over here eventually we’ll get overrun. Best to shut that door immediately.
Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they’re congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.
In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but in Lemmy we’re the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.
Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured [email protected] and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.
You raise good points, but for me the issue is, the Nazis then still have their own bar. And that creates a hub for them to advertise, spread, and sow hatred. And eventually, to try to buy the owners of the media platform. This is the literal “embrace, extend, extinguish” playbook they’re using. Is that not a problem too? How could we combat it best?
I think it’s better if we shut down their bar and bar them from even coming to any bar.
They want to go to a bar? Either don’t be a fascist or shut up.
They would have one either way - I mean, just look at Twitter, Reddit, FOX News. Even when there weren’t such NAZI spaces bought and paid for by billionaires, NAZIs had their own websites, mailing lists and whatever.
Weakenning the freedom inherent to the Fediverse’s implementation just because the NAZIs might use it to create their own space is just indirectly constraining yourself because of the NAZIs, which IMHO is the opposite of what we should be doing.
Would you defend changing HTTP(S) and HTML to somehow stop NAZIs using it because as they are now they can be used by NAZIs to spread their message? How about e-mail? How about pen and paper?
You can’t just throw the baby with the bathwater “because NAZIs”.
If you really want to stop NAZI messaging altogether you can’t do it by Technical means, you have to do it by Social and Political means - Laws Censoring NAZI messaging - and even there, look at Germany that does it and all they seem to have achieved is that the NAZI symbology is hidden whilst a large part of the NAZI way of things is widespread in society (hence the AfD success) and some elements of it are even shared by the majority (hence Germany’s very overtly race-justified unconditional support of a nation commiting a Genocide). De facto Germany’s banning of NAZIsm hasn’t stopped the kind of Fascism like in the US right now or the AfD there, were they use the NAZI propaganda techniques and share many ideological elements with the NAZIs but just don’t use NAZI symbols.
You have a very poor understanding of how the fediverse works if you think that’s true.
You can always section yourself off from the instances you don’t like. If it just so happens that you’re sectioning yourself off from most of the fediverse, then that’s on you.
but I’m on Lemmy.World and I’m too stupid to understand everything.
them: yaaah safe from the censorship of the fediverse
me: defederates🦀🦀🦀
🦀🦀🦀
100% a parody instance: https://maga.place/post/2245?scrollToComments=true
Even mention Epstein+Trump like that would be a site-wide shadowban posted on /r/conservative.
It’s good though. It’s plausibly pro trump.
r/thedonald started out as a parody subreddit but quickly got overrun by chuds who didn’t realise it was a joke
Wait, really? I think that happened with /r/murica too.
It’s what happens to all irony-poisoned communities who don’t aggressively moderate.
Beware of what? It’s no different than any other instance and capable of being subscribed to, scrolled past or blocked.
Stop advertising for them and let them have their federated echo chamber, just like the communists, socialists, leftists and others have.
Stop advertising for them and let them have their defederated echo chamber.
FTFY
it’s kinda funny though
Safe spaces? Sounds like snowflakes to me
They’ve been the snowflakes all along.
Bunch of Snowflakes trying to act like a Tough Walls
Another hive of pedophiles. Wonderful.
I sometimes forget just how many tyrants use this platform.
The very purpose of the fediverse is to make censorship impossible as it’s decentralized, open source, and easily accessible to all. Meaning that anyone, anywhere can utilize these tools to launch their own platform on their own terms without fear of being censored. This applies to everyone, not just some.
The very existence of this instance, which is clearly just a parody, is enough to send a good chunk of the freedom lovers here to quickly take the mask off and turn into Mao where they want to take down the instance, infiltrate it, and censor it. The fact they can’t is proof that fediverse is working as intended. I, for one, welcome people from all over to use the fediverse. Having a social media that’s controlled by the people instead of corporations is a big plus for me.
Most people here strongly seem like they wanted a more leftist Reddit.
Bluesky as well, but for X.
The concept of an entirely new ecosystem, free of authoritarian control, escapes people.
Of course we do not all have to federate with one another and share content, but to infiltrate and deny their existence entirely… is just another form of control. The accusation becomes revealed as a confession, now where have I heard that before…?
At some point the division becomes not Left vs. Right but extremist vs. non. Though I admit to lacking a fully matured understanding there as to whether that is justified or not, it’s just that I am saying that this distinction exists.
I’ve always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?
Ideals don’t matter to them, what matters is spreading their propaganda far and wide.
Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I’ve been alive.
They don’t care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it’s a lie while they smile and say they’re being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.
Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.
They lie because they believe they’ll be part of the “in-group”, while in reality, they are going to be censored the moment their higher-up has the ability to turn on them without retribution.
They are fools, but not to be underestimated.
A lot if it is sowing dissent and breaking discourse as well.
Same reason why tankies don’t just move to China, or why some Canadians had Trump bumperstickers: the point is to take over and wield authority as a weapon. Of course they try to invade and pollute every space they can and muddy waters wherever possible.
When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as “they get off on ruining your day cuz they’re miserable pieces of shit.” Speaking from experience.
Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you are feeling less miserable now.
Thanks. Take lots of psychedelics, everyone.
Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?
Tl;dr version:
Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say “it’s not doing anything” and also take your sister-in-law’s portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you’re on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to…)
Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.
If they get defederated, they just spin up a new instance and keep spreading their hate.
What’s the problem of those right-wing dipshits having their own instance? I’m trying to understand this perspective you all seem to have here.
Someone please elaborate the hesitancy of us accepting MAGA extremists having their own federated community?
Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?
They’re allowed to make an instance, the software can’t stop them. They’re not required to be federated with.
Just like how you can say anything you want, you’re not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.
Because I don’t want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.
Are you the type that asks a cockroach or ant infestation to politely go away as well?
They don’t want their own spaces as much as making other people’s spaces are theirs too - aka “This is why we can’t have nice things”
Conservatives value the marketplace of ideas. The fediverse is a true embodiment of the marketplace of ideas. No wonder they are coming.
Hey Jimmy Kimmel, how do you like that marketplace of ideas? I heard conservatives sure do value that marketplace. Why can’t I hear you Jimmy?
Ohh that’s cos the left killed the guy who wanted free speech. Now they playing by your rules. You did this to yourself. The irony is palpable.
U wanted a culture war, u wanted to silence free speech. You are now subject to the paradox of tolerance. You could not tolerate descenting opinions so your opinions cannot he tolerated. Ohh the irony.
I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there’s no evidence “the left” killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?
We both know he was datings someone trans. He had hundreds of hours in a game called “furry shades of gay”. Does either of those things sound like right wing to you?
Absolutely, hypocrisy and hating yourself are core tenets of the conservative experience in America.
Ignorance of facts logic and critical thinking seem to be the core tenants of your personal experience.
Why would they not just stay on Twitter, Truth Social, reddit or Facebook? Those places are tailor-made for MAGA 🤔
Get it crossposted to [email protected]
I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
You should check out the history and current reality of USA sometime.
What is that supposed to mean? America was founded by people who basically invented the concept of human rights as a legal term. I think England had a few rights in their constitution like the right to a Jury trial and stuff. America wasn’t perfect. People don’t understand that no slavery wasn’t really an option before the industrial revolution because slavery was the industry. Not that it makes it okay, just that you’d get conquered by literally everyone else if you didn’t have them. This is why every ancient society had slaves. It’s not just because they were evil, they were in ways, just like modern humans are in ways. It’s that societies which couldn’t defend themselves were enslaved themselves or absorbed into someone’s religious authoritarianism. Yet there is also ways they are morally superior to us, like, you used to be able to retire, to own land, to warn real money as a normal person that didn’t just evaporate away. Most governments used to only have a couple hundred laws at most, now there are hundreds of thousands of laws for governments to tear apart your life with.
We have progressed in ways sure, but also regressed in other ways. Modern humans are monotheistic. Much of the world polices which imaginary God you are allowed to worship. Humans have about as much dignity these days as slaves did in the classical world. Maybe a few more rights, particularly for minorities.
The U.S and France was the first country to actually escape full blown theocracy in 1500 years. The U.S and France were the first country where most people were equal under the law. Yes they thought Africans and Indians were less then human, but it was progress. The U.S abandoned slavery as soon as it had industry, so did Britain and most other countries.
The past 150 years, after the civil war has been a steady progress of states losing power, particularly in America. Your average American for the last 150 years despised government surveillance, they despised even the state and enforcers of the state. They despised taxes. They were almost unanimously in their support for free speech, protest, and free media. Hillary Clinton is the first candidate to even suggest censorship without getting laughed out yet it still cost her the election, Trump is losing much of his support because of the anti American agenda he has, but America has become quite stupid in recent years.
Much of this is because of economic hardship. Psychologists have known for some time that when people are hungry they develop mild schizophrenic type symptoms, like finding patterns where there are none, superstitious thinking, having a heightened sense of fear. This is essentially a way for animals to survive when things get hard. Americans are becoming dumber and more schizo because 40% of Americans don’t have jobs, and our country has no welfare, 90% of the country has no liquid of excess wealth. 50% of the country is in poverty. We are entering the phase of hyperinflation. For the past 10 years or so inflation has been around 7-15%. By the end of the year, we will be spending 600 billion on interest payments on U.S bonds, with much of it coming up to be refinanced within 5 years. That is about 1/4 of all tax income, and about 1/8 of the federal budget.
Yet our state is more concerned with mass surveillance, imperialism, mass migration, more taxes on the poor, less for the rich. Maybe things wouldn’t be so bad if the rich people of the world weren’t doing nearly everything in their power to destroy America, because they hate liberalism.
Why do they hate liberalism so much? Because they see the world as being overpopulated which is true. They see humanity as a mold on the earth, which is also partially true. They hate the old world where the little guy is not being managed. If ever there was a time to unify, it is now. They will use religion or anything else to try to get there way. If you have even a single bit of hate in your heart or a weakness in your moral character, they will use it against you. Any stupid regis belief you have, they will use it against you. The right move right now is to vote Democrat, at least for your own sake, and to try to break up the power of the state and the rich so we can put them on trial some day. They are trying to decide us because people are waking up. They are taking advantage of our psychology and human nature to divide us. This is what I mean by weakness in your morality. Not religious morality. That won’t cut it anymore. It has too many flaws, I mean true morality, as you know in your heart what is right. Most people do if they listen to it. This determines the future. The way your neighbors see you. We cannot survive unless we get our neighbors out of this mind control cult of the state. We have to get them to stop watching their propagandists, and eventually we all need to stop voting for their politicians and giving them false legitimacy. It’s hard right now because they are going after our basic humanity. Trump is literally trying to classify my people as subhuman and terrorists, but in between voting for Democrats, we need to reach out to our conservative neighbors and tell them, if you can stop voting for them, I can also. If you can see the humanity in me, as someone you are told to hate, we can unify and fight the true enemy, and actually gain both of our freedom.
Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
I beg to differ. The “american ideals” are to be economically prosperous, to open and run your own business, to take what is other’s (indian land), without regrets or looking back.
What i’m saying is that’s exactly what Trump thinks he’s doing. He’s not actually helping american businesses but he and his voters probably think that’s what he’s doing. So, the people themselves see it as very american.
The American ideas are freedom, liberty, and justice for all. It’s democracy and freedom from religion. It’s about rejecting kings and arming the common man.
Nah, truth be told, MAGA is about as American as apple pie. Historically speaking, that is.
Theory vs Practice
Christianity in bible vs Christians
Communism in theory vs “Communists” in practice
Its like every ideology ever. People preach their scripture, but never actually practice it.
see what you’re missing is that they stand for amerikkkan ideals
Most of America has disagreed with them for idk 150 years now.
They are so immersed in the Conservative Propaganda Machine that they are literally living in an alternative reality from 2/3 of America, and the entire rest of the planet. They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.
And for some reason, the “intelligent” people that we have elected to protect us from such silliness, has decided to pretend that the MAGA nonsense, treason, and corruption, should be respected, and indulged.
they are literally living in an alternative reality
Hmm, reminds me of a country that starts with R that the current US president’s trying to save.
Which is why the opposition should reclaim the flag. It has become a religious fetish to MAGA, and the Left has to take it back, and reintroduce it as a symbol of Freedom, not treason pedophilia, and corruption.
The best way to defeat a huge baby is to take its blankie and become the baby yourself.
damn, i gotta check out that place later. i wonder how MAGA will interact with the fediverse. like, how can you be anarchistic and bootlicking at the same time?
edit: this is hilarious.
bootlicking: check ✅️
“especially towards Americans”
well, at least this one i can understand. Now i have to think about What the Turtle said to Achill, somehow.
this gotta be a troll account. Why is there an “antifa” community on the https://maga.place/ instance?
I’ve noticed a significant uptick in rightist trolls on the fediverse since the devil called Charlie Kirk home. Absolutely nowhere is safe from fascist infiltration for long. Hopefully the half decent instances defederate from those cesspits en masse.
That’s because they are fucking bored and have no real personality or hobbies.
I’ve been hammering the block user feature a lot lately.
Good!
That’s what it’s for!
We don’t need to censor something for everyone just because we don’t like what’s being said!
*sniffs* Smells like Nazi in here.
🙄
You dropped this.
🥱
So are they not part of the fediverse if they don’t link up with other instances? 'Cause if not, then all they’re saying is they censor things too because they are part of the fediverse…
Funny rule
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
And some are the equalest
So being sexist towards a Canadian is a warn but being sexist towards an American is a ban?
I presume they were attempting to clarify that the type of xenophobia that they most likely expected to see was directed at themselves due solely to their nationality.
But you could test this by making xenophobic comments against both, and see what happens. Then perhaps make an alt and perform in reverse ordering.
