• M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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    1 year ago

    Ok, so what does that entail? I don’t think you can just jump on TV and call peace. Ukraine has stated many times that they will not agree to any peace deal without the boarders going back to 2014, russia has stated that will not fly.

    Even if you assume its a full on meat grinder for both sides, how does russia win in this situation? They claimed this military operation was to de-milliteraze Ukraine, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to put a stop to NATO expansion, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to protect the Donbas people, now they are the group who has suffered the largest casualties in this conflict. They claimed this military operation was to ensure the russian people prosperity and security, the opposite has happened.

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      1 year ago

      what it entails are the borders freezing and everyone getting bored of sending 17 year olds through minefields

      east ukraine will never be part of ukraine again, do you really think there is a going back now over a million people have died?

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        1 year ago

        That is my point, there is no going back. Even if Ukraine before this was on shaky ground as a nation they are now determined to fight on and on and on. russia also has no credibility as shown today, and this has been stated many times by Ukraine that any treaty with russia is worth less then the paper it is printed on.

        So I ask again, how does russia get anyone to show up and sign anything? How do they force peace?