• FLeX@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    Your comment is total nonsense, there is nothing to prove.

    Would you pay 20ct every time you open a pdf ? Why not then ?

    • kicksystem@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Would you pay 20ct every time you open a pdf ? Why not then ?

      No, but I would pay for a PDF reader based on the number of times I install this PDF reader if for some reason this PDF reader offers features that I can’t get from some open-source tool. Especially if that means I get support, bug fixes, support for different devices and the like, which Unity does. This is not an uncommon model at all.

      • FLeX@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I failed my question.

        Would you pay 20ct every time a user open a pdf you made ?

        • kicksystem@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          Yes, if I would make more than 20 cents of of it, let’s say 40 cents, and the company that I am paying to is offering a major service to me that would make it otherwise near impossible for me to make such a PDF, then sure.

          • FLeX@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            And then he open it 10 times and you are fucked, and your competitor open it thousands of times and you are vastly fucked

            • kicksystem@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              If I get payed 40 cents every time it is opened this isn’t a problem. He can open it as many times as he wants. I’ll happily pay the 20c and keep the rest as profits. If my income is proportional to usage and my costs are proportional to usage there is no problem. I don’t see why this could not hold for games or for PDFs?

              The bottom line: if somehow you’ve made a game and it is installed a lot, but you don’t make enough money off of that such that you can’t pay your suppliers then you’ve just failed at commerce.

              A friend of mine failed at commerce once. She had a clothing store. In the clothing business you’ve got seasons. So typically shop owners buy a whole lot of clothes in bulk for the entire season. Her shop didn’t survive the economic down turn of 2008/2009. So she was left with huge amounts of clothes and an enormous bill to pay, which she had to default on. Unity’s business model is extremely mild compared to that industry. I also still fail to see how it is not fair.

              • FLeX@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                That’s the problem : it is NOT proportional.

                You are not paid everytime a user install your game. Just when he buy it.

                I also still fail to see how it is not fair

                Yes obviously

                • kicksystem@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Proportional does not mean one equates the other. It means that while one goes up, the other goes up as well. It’s not going to be some constant factor and it’ll depend on the game, but you should expect that for every license you may have a handful of installs. You simply need to account for that. If you would have to come up with a mathematical function that estimates the number of installs your game is going to have and you know the amount of users, would you use the amount of users as a coefficient in your function? If so, then that means it is proportional. If not, then please enlighten me how you would guess the number of installs without the number of users.

                  Now the next question is, is it fair? Why not? One business model will be the license model, but another business model could be based on usage. Perhaps long time users are buying in-game items, doing upgrades, looking at ads, are willing to shell out extra money for different devices, etc. Unity’s business model should work for all business models in such a way that they can be paid their dues. Also, the more a game is used the more demand this puts on the developer for upgrades, bug/security fixes, supporting other devices, etc. This demand will translate into demand on Unity, which makes it only fair that Unity gets payed some amount based on installs.

                  • FLeX@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    No, sorry but it still don’t make any sense.

                    That’s why absolutely nobody thought about such a stupid system since the beginning of software.

                    It’s not like your users where using unity’s servers. They just want free money for nothing.