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Many are, but as far as I know, no hosting provider has ever tried something like what was claimed (which is why it made such news).

It seems like many people didn’t even verify that portion of ToS was new (checking web archive), or wait for Vultr’s response before closing their accounts.

Even after the official response, it feels like people stuck to their original assumptions and felt justified moving services?

Companies, and specifically the people in them, make mistakes. What matters is their reaction. I’m scratching my head to think what Vultr could do better in this case (other than creating a time machine to avoid the initial screw up).

Vultr posted their response to the concerns here - https://www.vultr.com/news/a-note-about-vultrs-terms-of-service/

The portion of the ToS that people were worried about had been in place for years and had nothing to do with server intellectual property. They are removing it to avoid future confusion.

I don’t disagree that it was poorly worded, but the amount of people jumping to the worst possible conclusions on this is concerning. What happened to Hanlon’s Razor?

Weird! For reference one VM I run on only has 1 GB of memory, and Netdata uses 100-200 MB. Could be something going on with UnRAID though. Definitely some sort of bug I’d think, since normally resource usage should be very low across the board.

That’s strange, I’ve run it fine on some very underpowered hardware. Are you adding a specific monitoring integration with it, or just out of the box settings?

I actually tried something like this, the laptop BIOS didn’t have any settings to tweak for A/C power changes. However, it does wake from sleep after plugging in. The issue is, it immediately goes back to sleep (within seconds). Tried quite a few things to try to stop that behavior (e.g. running Power Toys Awake) but had no luck.

So that’s when I switched to ESP Keyboard.

Oh yeah I should have specified this is to wake from sleep, not a complete shutdown. So not a complete replacement for WoL.

I was a little surprised as well, but I think it’s because the keyboard / mouse I use (and the ESP32) all use Bluetooth LE specifically.

I looked at USB solutions first actually, but then decided to try ESP Home solution since I was already familiar with the system.

I definitely thought about trying something physical like that too, but mostly as a fallback plan!

As others stated, you can run and access the interface locally (or setup your own reverse proxy) for free. Their Cloud dashboard is also free for up to 5 nodes. They recently added a flat-rate “Homelab” plan as well, if you want to remove the limit. It’s all quite usable for $0 otherwise though!

I’m a huge fan of Netdata, very configurable and monitors just about anything you could want. Great interface and alerts too - https://www.netdata.cloud/

I picked up a 4070 and have been really happy with the low power draw (and therefore heat) after undervolting it.

Not the OP, but commenting on the Atoms. They are good for testing, but not sure I’d want to use them for a full setup.

For one, speakers are pretty rough in them 😂 That’s kinda to be expected though, it’s intended as a cheap dev device.

However, the bigger thing for me is to wait and see what hardware HA will support when they implement on-device wake-word processing. I’d definitely prefer no continuous audio streaming over the network, until after I have said the wake word.

I picked up an Atom for testing as well. I do get a delay, but definitely not 28 seconds… Maybe more like 4-5?

It’s totally dependent on the speed of the hardware you are running HA on though. Since the microphone is just streaming sound to the server, which then processes it. I’m running on fairly beefy server.

Just for a test, you could also try toggling off the wake word in the Atom Device settings in HA. Then you can send a command by pushing the physical button. Could at least narrow the delay down to wake word processing vs normal speech processing that way?

Great! Yeah it seems like very useful information, hopefully HA will make it more accessible / obvious to access in the future!

Very welcome!

It was a server-side block, from Cloudflare (security rule specifically). I’m very familiar with it, having used the same service over a decade. They are able to tweak the overall security level, or specific WAF rules for the endpoint in Cloudflare. They also have analytics that will show them exactly how many cancellation requests would be blocked. The fact that they totally ignored these details in my ticket, is concerning.

Maybe, but it would also be very easy to blame on misconfiguration / mistake. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if the behavior itself isn’t purposeful, but ignoring / not fixing it is. I’ve definitely seen such behavior at other companies, where they drag their feet on fixing a bug that is bad for the user, but helping them.

On a related note… I went to cancel a membership a few weeks back, and the site displayed a message “you don’t have an active membership to cancel”. I thought it was strange, so I checked out the network requests being made, and turned out the cancel API call was getting blocked for “security reasons”. Nothing else on the site was blocked for me, just the cancellation endpoint.

I opened a ticket, and it took them nearly 2 weeks to respond, and there was zero acknowledgement on why cancellation would be blocked.

Not sure if it’s a purposeful dark pattern, but it sure seems like it!

Worth noting that this should not affect you if you are only using tunnels (no DNS entries / open ports).