Fair point, thanks for sharing. Does that mean you consider fine the use of Zulip by open source development teams? Seeing as their main objective is providing organized chat between core contributors (with some level of outsider participation), that is, generally focused on facilitating the work of the project instead of building a community.
If you’re willing, I’d appreciate more information on this claim:
Don’t waste your time with Zulip, it is just another corporate messenger.
I tried looking it up myself, but I didn’t see anything that bad. Open source, self-hostable, Apache 2 licensed, didn’t see any CLA. About the Element thing, that sounds a bit far-fetched, but I’ll refrain from saying anything else since I haven’t had time to look into it. The Freenode story sounds interesting though, I’ll try looking it up later.
Thanks, I’m going through some of it right now, since I do prefer to be aware of this stuff. Far as I can see, though, he just seems like another opinionated person—not really noteworthy for a developer—who happens to write strongly, and write a lot. While this led to a larger virtual profile, most of his opinions that I’ve seen were shared, at least in part, with stray lobsters/reddit/hackernews comments.
He has ideas I agree with, ones I don’t, some that I think make him look silly… so he’s just another person on the internet, kinda like you and me. Could, maybe, use a better tone sometimes. As long as his controversial status is limited to the level of tech nerds ranting at each other, there’s not much to be warned about. I think we need to be more open towards earnestly discussing certain topics—sometimes it’s not drama, it’s just a serious conversation you haven’t needed to have until now.
Well, those are my two cents. Thanks, regardless.
P.S. huh, subscribers of opensource did not appreciate this post much. Maybe this is what happens when you cross-post “old” news.
Glad he brought up Discord’s quality.
I’m a bit tired of people saying e-mail/IRC work just fine. Yes, they do, but that’s not the point. Discord works better for way over a hundred millions users, many of whom rarely ever send mail and aren’t interested in learning how IRC or whatever alternative you use works.
It’s like instead of collaborating to solve this issue half of the open source community decided they want to die in IRC, while the other half just straight up gave up. Metaphorically. I get why, but it saddens me a little.
Will have to check out Zulip later.
I volunteered because I worried for the community. There were few comments and I couldn’t sit by when it seemed so straightforward to step up for the sake of something I care about.
Later, admins shared that they’d been taking care of it (things were never as dire as I feared), and they’ve since appointed actual moderators. Even one with actual experience, too! I trust things will be fine, now.
All this to say: I’ll be here as an option, should you want more people, but I’m happy with how things turned out. Much better than the communities that (sadly) spend months looking for volunteers.
More people than I expected volunteered, which is nice to see. Since I ended up creating an account, I’ll leave it here anyway.
Aight, I’ve spent my allotted 20 minutes reading open source project drama and still don’t get this comment. Mind sharing some context?