• doodledup@lemmy.world
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      7 hours ago

      AI is amazing. It can detect cancer. Find new chemical composites for undiscovered medicine. It can solve unsolved problems in astronomy. It optimizes logistics and productions in ways that discriminative algorithms would never be able to.

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        It can detect cancer.

        no it can’t. it can create an early diagnosis that a medical professional then has to verify through tests and diagnosis.

        Find new chemical composites for undiscovered medicine.

        no it can’t. it can identify potential compounds but is unable to verify they don’t make a poison. it takes thousands of chemists millions of man hours to validate and verify findings.

        It can solve unsolved problems in astronomy.

        no it can’t. it can identify patterns in the data it has been fed. it takes an astronomer to not only feed the data, but to understand the data returned. it also entirely depends on the accuracy of the original dataset, also provided by an astronomer.

        It optimizes logistics and productions in ways that discriminative algorithms would never be able to.

        it can do that, but ignores the complexity of human interactions. humans are complex animals that cause exceptions to rules and that never works for any logistics. AI creates a system of human suffering because, to AI, human state of being is a problem to be solved for not made an exception to.

        AI is amazing.

        it’s really not. human ingenuity is amazing.

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          Every single rebuttal that you did does not paint humans in a good light. Why did the doctor perform further said testing to verify the cancer? Because an AI predict it. And we prefer more false positives than false negatives, so we test the positive.

          Testing for medicine as poison will be done no matter if it was found by humans or not. Searching for potential medicine faster is a welcome in my book. Rather than finding being the bottleneck, I’d rather test be the bottleneck. It means we will have a potential answer than none at all.

          As for the astronomer case, it is true for every field. Cancer detection? Ideally, a doctor/medical technician feed the AI the data, and the doctor must also check the output of said AI. A simple X-ray scan with a marker marked as cancer will have a lot of parameters that the doctor could understand that a layman may not. Maybe it is the size, maybe it is the opacity, maybe it is the location, and many other things.

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            Why did the doctor perform further said testing to verify the cancer? Because an AI predict it. And we prefer more false positives than false negatives, so we test the positive.

            yeah, that’s not how medicine works. medicine works through diagnosis, testing, then treatment, especially with cancer. no doctor is going to trust software to diagnose a patient and then prescribe treatment blindly because it’s the doctors license on the line if the patient was treated without proper diagnosis.

            Testing for medicine as poison will be done no matter if it was found by humans or not. Searching for potential medicine faster is a welcome in my book. Rather than finding being the bottleneck, I’d rather test be the bottleneck. It means we will have a potential answer than none at all.

            this is the most brain numbing take. AI can generate 15 billion compounds with medical implications. out of those only 200 are viable. out of those 15 aren’t toxic to humans. problem is, it’s going to take 50 years to find those 200 and another 25 years for the 15. in the meantime all medical research has been dedicated to finding those 15 medications for 75 years and have completely ignored research into specific medicines to treat problems now. the biggest joke about those 15 medicines? they’re all “boner” pills because the model was trained on Pfizer data.

            As for the astronomer case, it is true for every field. Cancer detection? Ideally, a doctor/medical technician feed the AI the data, and the doctor must also check the output of said AI. A simple X-ray scan with a marker marked as cancer will have a lot of parameters that the doctor could understand that a layman may not. Maybe it is the size, maybe it is the opacity, maybe it is the location, and many other things.

            what’s your point? of course you need specialists to train the models, that’s besides the point I made. I’ll be blunt with you, AI is only as good as the data that built the model. we as humans often forget that we live in an interconnected world that has broad impacts on every topic. to build a model that only specializes in one topic will get you results that are biased towards the topic and whatever data you trained the model under. it will never see the world as a nuanced place and only see’s the world in what you tell it to see.

            the examples you gave were poor. it’s not your fault because you only drank the koolaide that was put in front of you.

            AI excels at pattern recognition, if you keep the focus small enough it can be a useful tool. what you’re doing however is “praising the hammer for building a house” when it was the team of carpenters, roofers, electricians, plumbers, drywallers, painters, etc that actually built the house.

            Every single rebuttal that you did does not paint humans in a good light.

            I have no idea why you would say that. everything I said painted humans in a human light. just like the poor examples you gave, you are human and are fallible. To believe you can live in a world where software is infallible is just foolish and naive.

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              To believe you can live in a world where software is infallible is just foolish and naive.

              Aye, sure, but you don’t check the result of calculations manually, do you, because you trust the calculator.

              Similarly, you probably don’t stress test every joint on every car you get into, do you?

              My point being that there is a point at which you do trust the tool sufficiently.

              Is it at the state of cancer diagnosis? Definitely not. How about cooking? Yes, pretty much it is. I trust it more or less when cooking and making drinks.

              I’ve also gotten a ton of actually helpfil medical information that real life doctors fucked up.

              So yeah one should be critical but just don’t be a complete luddite.

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    Butt jokes aside, I think all these are trying to compete to be the symbol that eventually represents the Singularity, or some shit.

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      exactly, Claude’s is the only one that remotely resembles one, the others are just radially symmetric. Does the author also think flowers are buttholes? Stars, planets, camera apertures, vortices are all buttholes.

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      Yeah, the Claude logo was obviously inspired by Community.

      Just as much as the Apple AI one is a copy of the OpenAI.

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      The toilet then sends the data it collects to a cloud server.

      What could go wrong.

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      So, if I forget my Fitbit, then the run didn’t happen. So here, I have to hold my poop to get to the toilet camera.

      Can y’all just tell me what kind of poop consistencies apparently indicate disease? I could use my eyes.

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        If you see blood in your stool, or if it’s dark and tar-like, you should see a doctor. Could be nothing, but if it’s best to check with a professional.

        Also keep an eye out for pinworms or tapeworms.