Don’t downgrade to Windows 11, update to Linux
Did it last month. Just open your mind like a flower in the morning, and it will only hurt a little.
What is this AI everywhere concept actually supposed to accomplish for the end user? Maybe I’m just behind on the vision but I can’t grasp the point. I have a feeling it’s not really about what the users want but I’d love to here a genuinely good use case.
They’ve invested lots of money in AI systems and found out that people do not want to use them, so if they make them unavoidable and force people to use it.
Capitalism does that sometimes.
Like google plus.
For me the Apple environment really cemented for me that consumers actively enjoy removing their own autonomy structurally, which is a big part of why this stuff has become so normalized.
Putting a rootkit on their cds should have buried sony. Antitrust should be a thing too. The mickey mouse protection act should have socially killed Disney, which only found success by exploiting works that no longer held copyright. Etc.
Those with power have lost all accountability, and all tools, especially AI, will be used against us if we do not cooperatively figure out how to fix the increasing power imbalance.
The more power someone has, the harder the gavel should fall on them when they fuck the entire planet in whichever way.
At this point, any new consumer friendly behaviour comes only to establish territory before hoarding and exploiting when enabled to do so.
Amazon using deceptive design to influence general user behaviours should lead to billions and billions in fines until changed. Etc.
Build local movements to cooperate at larger scale and fight back. If the general public is ranting about planned obsolescence and general monopolistic behaviours, maybe something could be affected before people are forced into violent desperation. People are too busy being mad at each other for some intentionally divisive narrative or another, and the general public just can’t give a fuck about affecting the people who actually dictate the shape of society.
Also if you burn down all AI this is still true. But it’s easier to yell at technology than they system using it to further remove your autonomy.
it’s like having 10 walmarts in one town. they are selling their investors infinite growth by showing a huge uptick in users through unavoidable systems being piled on. like how retail used to sell their investors on square footage going up every year by X amount. it gooses the stock and it doesn’t matter than your losing money or destroying your business doing it, because the stocks going up RIGHT NOW is the only goal.
It’s to make it easier for the end user to do what they want to. People are best at communicating by talking and writing, so having the ability to get things done using natural language is kinda the holy grail.
Being able to summarise/edit/create documents/images/videos, automate tasks, change settings, etc by a simple conversation is an end user dream.
How many misunderstandings happen because people are bad at both writing and talking?
The answer is, a great deal.
Your answer is nonsense.
There is no real use case for the user. There are only use cases for the company.
I’d say there would be a great benefit for a lot of e.g. disabled people who can’t use the traditional inputs. Not saying that as a pro-ai/pro-win argument. Just that there actually will be good use-cases.
That’s not a use case for users. That’s a use case for a very specific sub group who likely weren’t using the OS at all. Not saying it’s not good they would be able to if that works for them, which I doubt.
Its still not a reason to foist it onto all of us
Didn’t say that was a reason to gulp it down. Just that the use cases aren’t zero.
Knew a quadriplegic that gamed with her mouth on windows. A really well working, integrated “ai” would’ve dramatically improved her life and saved her hundreds of thousands for all the equipment and tech-guys. And yes, that’s a very limited use case, but would allow poorer disabled people to also use a computer better.
But that’s really all good reasons I can come up with. For all else noone needs the shit baked into the OS.
For all else noone needs the shit baked into the OS.
So you can’t think of a single reason why anyone that’s not disabled would want to use AI on a computer? No reason anyone would want to use ChatGPT? Generate an image? Re-write some text? Summarise some text or a video? None at all? Really?
I said baked into the OS. Noone needs that. Everyone who needs ai can open a browser. That was the whole topic here, not usefulness of ai in general 😊
That’s not a use case for users. That’s a use case for a very specific sub group who likely weren’t using the OS at all.
Ok you’re so far down the anti-AI hole that you’re just being ridiculous. No point even bothering. “Disabled people don’t use Windows” lol One of the dumbest hot takes I’ve heard in a while.
Your answer is nonsense.
There is no real use case for the user.
Showing your ignorance and short-sightedness right here. Just because you can’t see uses, despite them being literally provided to you, doesn’t mean there aren’t any. It means that you can’t think of them or understand them. That’s a “you” problem.
The fact AI has yet to do anything other than increase costs, increase the time taken to ship anything (particularly code), decrease trust and socialise the cost of data centres and electricity…
I’d say it’s an all of us problem and a fucking stupid problem to have.
The fact AI has yet to do anything other than increase costs, increase the time taken to ship anything (particularly code), decrease trust and socialise the cost of data centres and electricity…
This is just straight up lying though lol. All you’re doing is showing your ignorance and complete lack of awareness of the world around you.
Demonstrate a single false claim
You really think that the current “AI” has not done a single good thing? You think that no one in the entire world has been able to benefit in any way, at all, from using AI?
This is what people are currently doing right? people are not writing mails anymore, this just became too time consuming.
At the same time this may be the limit of the current AI models. Me wanting to configure something on my computer that can be Googled and the AI does this for me on verbal prompt is kind of stupid but people are stupid.
The real danger with this is total surveillance of your activity and possibly making you and your office job obsolete. At least they are attempting this.
Me wanting to configure something on my computer that can be Googled and the AI does this for me on verbal prompt is kind of stupid
How is that stupid? Isn’t that the kind of things that everyone should want? “Hey copilot turn off HDR” is a lot easier than remembering the 4 or 5 button shortcut, or opening the settings menu and finding it, isn’t it? Why would anyone think this is stupid?
The real danger with this is total surveillance of your activity and possibly making you and your office job obsolete. At least they are attempting this.
This isn’t work related, and the enterprise versions of windows all have very strict controls over this stuff where microsoft do not ever get the data.
I will continue to enjoy my incredibly straightforward and to the point Linux desktop that’s somehow gained a new AI-free feature by doing nothing.
Don’t you want a bunch of pop-ups nagging you to use their AI gimmicks, though?
Damn it! I’m in.
Would you be able to point me toward a good thread about “beginner-friendly” distros that works well with games?
I honestly have no idea what to trust when it comes to this
Bazzite is specifically for PC gaming and is a very friendly starter distro.
Bazzite, definitely.
Pop!_os worked fine for me out of the box. The UI is a little mac-like (dock on bottom, spotlight like search when you hit the super key) by default.
Steam just works. Heroic launcher just works. It’s simple.
I’ve also used mint, but had slightly less luck with its install working out of the box. All issues fixed eventually but there was some head scratching.
Linux nerds tend to have opinions and it’s easy to lose sight of what it’s like as a beginner.
But ultimately it’s pretty easy to switch distributions. They’re all free.
Like others said, bazzite and pop os, though I’ve never used either. I use mint and never had a problem.
Though it should be pointed out that some MP games that use a kernel level anti cheat can’t be played (battlefield 6 for instance).
But I also wanted to mention, you can run Linux from a USB flash drive. So of you want to try out one of them without actually installing it, you easily can. If you don’t like it you don’t install. If you do, then you go for the full install. Easy non committal trial so to speak.
I installed Mint a week ago and it has played all of the 13 games I tried without any effort from me, except one which ProtonDB told me to change the compatibility mode in the steam properties then it worked great.
I would say see the ProtonDB entries for some games you like to set your expectations.
Don’t go onto specialized distro. Just use the main ones like Mint (which is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian). I would say that Debian is the best one, but it needs to read some docs if you have a Nvidia Graphic card (but if not, it should be easy and super stable). Bazzite, Nobara, etc, are based on distro that are quickly changing (Fedora or Arch), which are really nice in their own way, but as a beginner, you need stability first!
Try this : https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=325 It is Linux Mint, but directly based on Debian instead of Ubuntu!
I don’t agree that Debian is a good choice for a gamer - it sacrifices performance and features for stability, which is not ideal for gamers, who probably want to run the newest drivers and featuresets. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Debian, but as an server os, not for a gaming machine. Something based on Arch or Fedora is a lot better for the rapidly changing environment we are talking about, they can adapt much quicker than Debian.
I have a been using it for 2 years and I was playing games without any problems. Thus said, I agree that they need to setup nvidia drivers if they are unlucky to have one.
I’d say especially for beginners it’s important that Nvidia GPUs work out of the box. Someone coming from Windows would likely not think highly of an OS that needs extra steps for something that just works on Windows, and there are enough Linux distros offering just that.
That’s a bit like asking, “Can you point me toward a beginner friendly car that has air conditioning and a radio?” You’re going to get 100 different answers because there are a hundred different distros that do all the things. The differences between them are small and not really of interest to a new user.
So I’ll give you a general rundown of the names you’ll probably see:
- Ubuntu: The classic recommended option and the most used worldwide. Though they’re corporate run and occasionally makes weird decisions that piss off the linux community, so you won’t see it mentioned as much as it was 10 years ago.
- Kubuntu: An Ubuntu flavor with a very customizable Windows-like desktop that should feel very comfortable for new users.
- Linux Mint: Essentially decorporatized Ubuntu with their own custom Windows-like desktop. It’s often the go-to recommendation to new users now, though I’ve personally never tried it.
- Pop!_OS: Basically Ubuntu with NVIDIA drivers enabled by default, so it positions itself as a gaming distro.
- Zorin: Another Ubuntu clone that tries to look as much like Windows as possible for new users.
- Fedora: A more frequently updated distro, which is appealing to those with newer hardware. A little less straightforward for new users but still not super challenging.
- Nobara: Pop!_OS except for Fedora.
- Bazzite: An immutable Fedora distro (meaning you can’t edit the underlying filesystem,) making it behave more like a consoles. Honestly, immutable distros are a niche in linux so you should probably avoid it as a new user, but you’ll see it listed as it has some diehard fans.
- Arch: A DIY distro for enthusiasts and tinkerers with very frequent updates, so good for newer hardware.
But again, they’re all like 95% the same as each other. I’d just pick between Kubuntu or Mint, maybe Pop!_OS if you don’t feel like going into a menu and enabling NVIDIA drivers.
Linux Mint has been able to run games for me. Look up the steam proton virtual windows tool
Winboat
Then you install Docker because may Linux apps come distributed only as Docker images and find out that Docker has its own AI built in called Gordon.
Then Lemmy dogpiles me for, “What do you expect for running corporate software.”
Only Docker Desktop has the AI feature. You can install the Docker engine and CLI tools without it on Linux. Or Podman, a similar alternative.
Nobody expects new Linux users to use the CLI though. For a normal user that just wants to run their software they will encounter this crap.
I use it and I have not encountered this. You’re referring to the desktop GUI maybe?
Yes, Docker Desktop which if you follow the guide for Network Proxy Manager and other docker apps you end up installing. You’d have to already know that Docker Desktop has AI to avoid it and find a work around install.
If the default is getting Docker AI when you install popular apps in Linux, at that point it’s not different from knowing that the default is getting Copilot in Windows and then following online guides to remove it.
I assume you mean Nginx Proxy Manager? I’m surprised that you would even run that on a desktop with a GUI, seems far more fit for a headless system. Of course, nothing stops you - it’s your system.
As a general note I’d recommend docker CLI / compose, most applications will assume you’re using that and have instructions tailored for it (which is helpful if you’re new to docker).
To be honest I didn’t even know docker had a desktop app for Linux, I’ve only seen folks use it on Windows and macOS.
I’m surprised that you would even run that on a desktop with a GUI,
???
The install guide says you need docker compose and links to the docker compose install guide. The link provided for docker compose installs docker desktop. Docker Desktop is a program that shows your running Dockers and allows you to start and stop them.
But fuck me for being a simple man that Read the Fucking Manual and followed the directions provided.
No need to be so hostile.
Installing docker desktop is fine but if you are on Linux and in any way comfortable using the command line I’d definitely run without the desktop part. Just docker and the composer addon is enough.
That nginx proxy manager recommends desktop for Linux environments which most of the time don’t even have a GUI is a bit bizar tbh.
No need to be so hostile.
It’s frustratingly hypocritical that Linux users rightfully dunk on Microsoft for it’s AI yet defend Linux platforms despite the AI.
When it’s the default in Windows, Microsoft is evil. When it’s the default in Docker, you should know better and figure out how to install it despite the official online documentation telling you to install Docker Desktop to get Docker compose installed.
Can anyone give recommendations on what to do if you have to run Autodesk products (Revit. Autocad) for work? No, I can’t swap them for open source alternatives such as FreeCAD as Im working with large international projects. Should I dual boot? Virtual machine inside Linux?
Controversial take:
If Autodesk products is how you make your money - Just use the OS your work provides you. Unless you’re a freelancer, of which that’s your work computer, and lock everything else down.
Work computer is not my problem. Nor am I putting anything personal on there. Microsoft wants to mine my company’s info, let those two deal with that shit.
In order of priority:
- Check for a Linux-compatible alternative
- Try installing/running it via Bottles (a veeeery easy to use Wine frontend, hiding lots of wine complexity). Wine allows running most windows programs directly on Linux, with almost zero performance overhead.
- Try installing/running it via winboat (basically WSL in reverse - a well-integrated Windows VM or container running on Linux so you can run pesky Windows-only programs with it) (haven’t used it myself yet)
- Use a regular full Windows VM on Linux (likely less well integrated and more resource intensive than #3, but maybe even more compatible). Set up a shared folder between host and VM for easy file transfers.
- Dual-boot Windows from another disk. Set up a shared folder/partition for file transfers.
Dual boot is an option, but I would go with 2 machines, one with Windows with only the Autodesk products and the other with Linux and all the other software.
I was thinking this too. Might get a second desktop and set that up
I’m a freelancer and a lot of my work apps require Windows or Mac. However, I remote into my company’s work machines, but the remote client doesn’t work in Linux so I have a lowered speced machine just for work, and my personal rig is much more powerful and running linux.
Even if I was freelancing completely with my own machine, I would prefer to have two seperate machines.
Winboat, for when you absolutely have to use something Windows based on your Linux machine.
If you must use windows but hate using it, have a vm inside linux dockur/windows: Windows inside a Docker container.. But it is not the smoothest windows experience (it really is for backup when you really need windows): it is not as fast as directly booted windows and apps that can’t run in a vm won’t run here. If this does not work for you, then dual boot or just use windows if necessary!
The first option fits me well fyi :)
I feel most replies have never used those products and are recommending options which just don’t work well enough imo. I have a VM for Fusion 360, but it’s really not fast enough for day to day use. Things like wine just don’t work. You’re gonna have to suck it up and either dual boot, or run a VM with GPU passthrough to get hardware acceleration in your VM.
Maybe you can split your GPU for a VM but I haven’t figured that out yet
Edit: if you do dualboot, you can put all your stuff on a separate partition (documents, downloads etc) and share that between the systems so you always have access to your stuff
Linux good. AI slop bad. Reddit bad. Fediverse good. Star Trek good. Tankies bad.
Good morning, just waking up and I’m sorry for taking out how tired I am of the repetitiveness of this platform sometimes on you.
Yes you should dual boot, but to like 95% of people it doesn’t matter so maybe just running windows won’t be the living hell this place makes it out to be.
I don’t know why there isn’t a bigger lemmy circlejerk community it would be full of gold. I need to stop sorting by everything and join more smaller communities I guess.
stfu dingdong
I mean, switching to Linux was nice even from win 10 that doesn’t even have a bunch of the BS from win 11. Using windows already sucks and has for a while.
And why are you posting about what 95% of people care about? The people posting here about it care. Do you walk up to random people on the street to tell them most people don’t care about what they are talking about?
Plus this commenter was even specifically asking for advice about how to get away from windows, so you’re whining about a common circle jerk in a thread that isn’t even that circle jerk.
Honestly, you are going to continue to suffer for becoming reliant on corporations.
The solution was not to get in bed with them in the first place. It’s not easy, but it is correct.
yeah, I updated one machine that was running Win10, it’s now running LinuxMint
My friend finally pulled the linux trigger after being a windows user and they love it! The excitement is amazing I love it.
Same here. I actually had windows 11 for a bit… but not any more. I went linux and never looked back.
Just made the switch and it feels good
Ok, guys. I’m reading some of these replies which are saying the amount of outrage is out of proportion. I have to disagree with that. I don’t want an AI running on my PC that is monitoring and learning about my shit. I didn’t want that data saved even locally, let alone the monetization of that data. I don’t want to be paying for power of a device that is turning me into someone else’s paycheck.
Can you turn it off? I believe you can. But I also believe that doing it manually would be incredibly annoying since that does go with a lot of past practice. I also get it would reactivate itself after major updates, like how Edge keeps reinstalling.
Are there other solutions to my Microsoft issues, yes. Chris Titus Tech comes to mind.
But overall, the Windows ecosystem does not feel right to me anymore. Could other people still use it, yes. Am I going to stop them, not intentionally. But my Arch gaming PC runs games better than the same machine running Windows. I’ve always entertained the idea of a full switch, still have a Windows 11 dual boot and haven’t officially done it yet, but with this the moment feels right. At least for me, hopefully you can understand that.
I had dual boot with win10 for a while, but when they had that ‘bug’ that was wiping peoples linux partition I dropped Windows completely. As dar as I’m concerned Linux and other FOSS in general has reached a point where it meets the majority of my needs. Same goes for local storage vs needing anything through the cloud or streeaming.
Every hang up I had eventually got solved. Except with modding games, I sorely miss Vortex or Mod Organizer and there’s no alternatives I know of besides doing it all manually.
That wasn’t a showstopper for me though. VR, HDR, Video Games were. These three are solved well enough for my tastes this year to drop my dual boot.
Fortunately on the modding front, the community’s already been cooking:
Nexus Mod Manager is working fine under Linux. It’s still under development, but i’ve been modding Cyberpunk 2077 to hell and back with it.
You’re stretching it to say that when the Linux version has extremely limited game support.
It’s literally just CP2077 and Stardew Valley.
https://nexus-mods.github.io/NexusMods.App/users/games/
Researching more, I found LIMO:
https://github.com/limo-app/limo
And some more ideas here:
Hopefully LIMO works because the other ideas look like a brittle PITA.
well, next up is bethesda games support, and development of the app is pretty fast, so i would expect a release supporting skyrim this year. You’re right that it’s pretty barebones now, but i wanted to say that we linux users will finally have a mod manager on par with the windows side of things, which is pretty awesome!
If you don’t need to do 3D work, you can still use a virtual machine with kvm, it is really fast! (then ditch Windows :) )
If you mean CAD, I found that FreeCAD works nicely as a parametric 3D modeler with some nice macros and addons, with the perk of also running on Linux
E: added info
I’m not too into 3d modelling stuff myself, but I understand Blender is pretty good, too.
I’d agree that blender is very good. I find that it would be more suited to static stuff and renderings, as well as animations. FreeCAD is more like the commercial CAD software you’d find (Fusion 360, Solidworks).
On the topic of blender, It has some amazing features, and I am amazed at what people do with it (I also find it a bit tricky, but I probably just need to put a few more hours into learning)
Yeah, to clarify I didn’t mean Blender as an alternative but that there are decent options for another kind of 3d work in addition to CAD stuff. FreeCAD for design stuff, Blender for making pretty things (or ugly things if that’s what you’re into), Vulkan/gcc for real time 3d stuff if you like working close to the metal, Godot for real time 3d stuff if you want to do it from a higher level.
Do yrself the favor and cut the cord.
Have Win 10 and was a Windows die hard since I was a kid.
Been running Linux on another drive as my default boot for a year and a half in anticipation of this horseshit and was only hesitant to delete Win because my Fanatec sim racing hardware wasn’t supported on Linux.
Welp, turns out hid-fanatecff is a thing. Installed the kernel driver and boom, working Fanatec peripherals. Even my Moza shifter is plug-and-play.
Bye bye Microsoft.
Yeah, peripherals lol. All my sim stuff is working brilliantly in Linux, however I still have some audio production stuff I need Windows for. Unfortunately, due to the need for minimal hardware latency and all that, Wine and VMs aren’t an option. Also a lack of drivers for some midi devices sucks.
Really? I run my home studio in Nobara Linux without any latency issues. I use Reaper as my DAW. Are you using
yabridge?Yeah I have tried it, but didn’t have luck unless I was driverless and that meant losing velocity. Maybe I configured wrong, it was kind of confusing but the internet said it was facing the same issues as me. Mainly this was for Roland stuff.
I was going to just get a laptop for Windows to record onto next to instruments and then transfer, but I’d rather just be able to plug into the DAW.
That’s really strange. I have an M-Audio 60ish key and a smaller Novation Nocturn MIDI keyboard as well as a Roland electric drum kit and have no issues doing anything over MIDI with them on Linux.
Maybe its worth another try? I don’t need drivers for any of that stuff.
Huh, weird.
Okay, I’m definitely trying again.
Some of my older gear is fine, but an example of something that wasn’t working was my TD-27 V2 on a kit. What module is on yours?
Is there any use for a HP Reverb G2 on linux?
Fully supported by Monado looks like.
Idk how recent that Monado support is, but I couldn’t get the reverb G2 to work on Linux at all a couple years ago.
A couple years IRL is like 100 years in Linux time
I hate this world. Linux it is then.
The logic behind the voice controls sounds pretty questionable, but it’s supposedly backed by data showing that users spend billions of minutes talking in Microsoft Team meetings, according to Mehdi — so they’re already used to talking on the computer, right?
Do they really reason like this? Oh my. That’s stupid. And here I was thinking Microsoft employs clever people.
As with a lot of corporate thinking, someone is tasked to justify the idea after the fact. Its not that they are unclever but that they think backwards. Conclusion first, support later.
Is that like deciding that Tylenol causes Autism, then trying to find evidence after making an announcement?
Yes, that’s a great example. I have had to deal with people that worked in such an environment and its wild. They actually thought that reports needed to show only good since that was their job before, we are talking about inventory reports being changed to be perfect as that was what they thought was wanted even though it made the report pointless.
I was thinking Microsoft employs clever people
As a programmer, I’ve had numerous colleagues who have ended up as software engineers at MS. They were mostly either unbelievably lazy or extremely incompetent. The rest who were both ended up there as managers.
Microsoft’s technology specialist are top notch regarding their own product. The other 90% are sales(wo)men and their managers.
I moved to pop!_os on the 14th and I am not looking back
Same (from macOS). Work and personal machines.
good for you.
remember, you’re not alone and many people are making the switch. find a community you like and help each other.
I’m trying out Bazzite, and although it does take a little tweaking sometimes, I haven’t encountered a game I can’t run yet, including features like HDR and DLSS.
Have you tried out Steam on there? I don’t know if there are any workarounds to running Steam games that require Windows; otherwise I’d probably switch one of my last Windows machines over.
Steam is absolutely the EASIEST way to run games on Linux.
It abstracts Wine, Proton and all the other dependencies so you don’t have to think about it much.
You just install it, download and play exactly the same as you would on Windows.
There is also Heroic launcher, which is a similarly streamlined experience for Gog. (And Epic and Prime Games, if you’re into those)
Don’t forget Lutris. It may take a bit more tinkering than Steam, but if you have loose games or use multiple games launchers, Lutris can combine them all into one neat and tidy launcher.
Don’t some games have a “Windows only” logo on them? Are you saying it will use Wine to launch Windows only games?
I haven’t tried it yet out of sheer laziness, since I already have several Linux bare metal/VM instances running. Right now I have a Windows machine mostly dedicated to Steam. I have sometimes launched Steam on my macs.
Yes, that’s right. Steam can play windows-only games via Proton, which is the exact same thing they are doing on Steam Deck. Steam Deck is what really motivated a lot of work in this area, and why the situation is so good these days.
It sounds like you’ve already got plenty of Linux machines, so perhaps try it for yourself and see.
Well, damn. I might have to get a low-end “gaming” machine and use Linux on it. Windows is so frustrating to use - I don’t want to have my identity managed by their stupid fucking cloud just for a low-end gaming machine. They try to hide the local user path and they seem to keep trying to further enshittify everything about trying to use an OS for the way I want to use it. (Reminds me: I need to read Cory’s book)
I’ve used Windows off and on for years - I mostly stopped paying much attention to MS once I was able to use Mac/Linux for my work daily driver, and only use it in anger for things like gaming and mining.
Just note that (unless they’ve changed the default), you need to enable a setting in Steam to make it always use proton, or it will look like reality matches up with your previous expectations. I believe the setting is under compatability in the steam global settings.
Also be aware that the steam deck compatability icon cares about two things that might not apply to a linux desktop: it loses points for keyboard/mouse centric games (which work fine if you actually use a kb/m instead of controller), and it also cares about how that game will perform on steam deck hardware, though if your gaming PC isn’t very strong, that one might be useful for you.
Protondb has the more accurate compatability info, though it’s crowd sourced, so might not have up to date info on more obscure titles (though it does seem kinda like every single game has at least a small community obsessed with it that consider it the greatest game).
Steam is honestly your best shot for getting a game to run, they’ve worked pretty hard on their compatibility layer.
I’ve been using Steam on Linux for a few years. Check out Proton DB for game compatibility.
Thanks. Appreciate the info. I’m kinda jazzed about this, TBH. I might buy another low-end gaming machine - this one was one I had specced out in late 2020, but it’s running out of disk space as gave it a very small drive - throw Linux on there, and start migrating over…I don’t want to play high-end games, mostly Metroidvania type of things and my kids play mostly the same types of things - stuff like Undertale, etc.
Linux is always such a pleasure to use. I’d love to remove yet another Windows machine from my life…
Yes Steam is the main tool Im using to run games, even non-Steam games.
Bazzite also comes with Lutris which will set up some wine wrappers for you, which work fine, but Steam gives you things like Steam Input. I’ve never seen a controller mapper as good as Steam Input.
I don’t know what the performance comparison between Valve’s Proton and current FOSS variants of Wine is.
My current workflow is to use Lutris to manage games from GoG (no GoG Galaxy on Linux). I install them via Lutris, and then add them as non-Steam games to Steam, which lets me use Proton and Steam Input. The only game I’ve installed so far that I’m not running through Steam right now is Minecraft.
The only loss is I can’t run Destiny 2 on Linux due to its invasive anti-cheat, but I was on the verge of quitting D2 anyway. Note that some games with invasive anti-cheat can still be run through proton, it depends on the specifics.
Another good one to have is the Heroic launcher. You can add your Epic store games there as well.
About Minecraft - what launcher(s) are you using on Linux? One of my kids is going through and playing all the old versions of the game, but I don’t know if that would work on Linux?
I use prism launcher for Java edition Minecraft both on windows and Linux. (Good for modded setups and pinning versions as well much better than stock)
Its in Flathub on Linux (mint in my case)
Prism Launcher shows up in flat hub (the “app store” that comes with Bazzite).
It manages different Minecraft instances of different versions, and helps manage mods, texture packs, shaderpacks, etc.
(But in general, all versions of Minecraft: Java Edition support Linux, and most if not all Minecraft launchers, including the official one, support Linux)
But nearly no multiplayer will work (due to stupid anti-cheat) Which is a very large base of the gamers who can never switch, even if they’d want to.
Almost all multiplayer games work even with anti-cheat. The once that do not use kernel level root kits for anti cheat. Vanguard is even worse then a normal root kit as it forces it self to be loaded with the OS.
But d2, cod and others won’t. So already millions of gamers that couldn’t switch. Me included. Love d2.
And I didn’t say it’s good or that those root kits won’t suck. I just stated those players can’t switch. No matter how great all linuxes are (I run 20 Linux vs 5 win machines at home, so I do favor it).
I’ve been on Debian for a couple years since Windows 10 came out. Not sure what this fuss has been about, but I’m glad I switched when I did.
Not sure what this fuss has been about, but I’m glad I switched when I did.
The fuss is about those who haven’t switched yet. They’re being forced to swallow a big, fat AI pill.
I work in IT and far be it for me to tell you what OS to use on your own computer.
The only thing I want to die right now, is the AI bubble. Just pop already. Holy fuck what a worthless endeavor this has been.
Linux is the only viable solution to this mess. And no it is not as scary as it seema
It’s not fear, it’s laziness and just general fed-upness of dealing with computers and the overwhelming complexity of everything nowadays. There’s nothing fun or thrilling about computers anymore, it’s a black box to me now.
Still waiting for nvidia to pull their heads out of their asses and fix gaming performance on their GPUs under Linux before I make the jump myself. And no, I don’t want an AMD GPU.
I’m just shocked Fedora is playing well with a quadro series card, and I’m not looking back. If there’s some bottleneck, it’s no larger than the one on my general experience with windows. Though I would very much like to be runnung a non-tainted kernel.
Yeah I understand that things have improved a lot. But it’s the 10-30% performance hit in DX12 games that keeps me from wanting to dive into Linux as my primary OS on my gaming machine. If they can get that closer to parity with Windows, I’m all-in on Linux for life.
What’s wrong with amd? In the market for a gpu right now
Nothing really wrong with them if they offer the performance and features you want. But I am a high end user and I also use some software that’s really reliant on CUDA. So they’re not really winning in either the performance or the features department for my personal use.
It’s fine. Not sure where you heard it’s terrible.
I know it’s not terrible, but there is a performance disparity there that you can’t ignore. If someone is spending $1000+ on a high end GPU I think it is fair for them to expect a level of performance that’s a little better than “fine”.
If by disparity you mean sometimes Windows is better and sometimes Linux is better. I have one of those GPUs. Give it a try before you slam it. Valve has thrown so much money into Proton that support is amazing compared to when I tried a decade ago.
Benchmarks are readily available, I have a 5080. Some DX11 and older games do run slightly better on Linux. But a lot of them don’t. And pretty much 100% across the board DX12 games run 10-30% slower on Linux compared to Windows. Nvidia has even acknowledged the issue and claims to be working on a solution.
Does Lemmy have a “Stallman was right” community? Or is that just all of Lemmy.
Most of it, yes.
If you replace the c/ with ! it will become a clickable link that will take the visitor to their local instance’s copy of that community.
thanks :)
No problem, thanks too! :)
FreeBSD has been on a bit of a glowup arc too though, at least for general desktop use. No, but really, there needs to be a viable third option other than Windows and Linux in the desktop PC space.
I’m so glad that they’re clinging on! FreeBSD is great and they’ve made some serious moves these past years.
NetBSD even explicitly banned AI from their codebase to boot, as quoted from their Commit Guidelines:
Code generated by a large language model or similar technology, such as GitHub/Microsoft’s Copilot, OpenAI’s ChatGPT, or Facebook/Meta’s Code Llama, is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.
Unlike Linux, whose recent embrace of AI in the codebase is worrying to say the least, you flat-out cannot submit AI-generated code to NetBSD unless it’s approved in writing*.
*originally in another reply, but deleted that and moved it here.
Unlike Linux, whose recent embrace of AI in the codebase is worrying to say the least, you flat-out cannot submit AI-generated code to NetBSD.
I finally troubleshooted why my Linux usb boot drive wasn’t working. Planning on making the switch when I have time off work.
So long as I can get Steam and Jellyfin working, I’ll never switch back.
Jellyfin works well on linux.
Bazzite was the distro that got me to kill the Windows 10 install on my gaming machine. Steam Deck catalyzed the move, but Bazzite was the final piece. Steam comes pre-baked in Bazzite, as does your graphics drives, and some multi-store frontends (I forget which atm), and some other quality of life bits. And Jellyfin Media Player is on Flathub, so installs easily via Flatpak.
