Indulge me for the coming delusion, but if we ignore who this is, forget all the reasons we know that we can’t trust him, and allow ourselves just a few moments to hope that we could live in such a world.
A world where manual labor is no longer needed, where people can just exist as large mammals are meant to exist. Robots will handle it all and we can just do as we please… and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero. But to get there it is going to require a ton of money… these robots are going to be way too expensive for people to actually buy them, so investors and governments will help out. The investors will eventually lose everything, but that will put us on the way to having everything we need to be created through completely automated systems.
Of course, there will still be jobs for those who really want them - or more likely, who want them and are good at them - or even more likely, who knows the right people… but if we can get our basic needs taken care of it night not fully end poverty but it would be a step in the right direction.
But, alas… It’s Musk saying it so it’s only to further enrich himself and won’t actually happen.
Isn’t this the same guy who tweeted that he would end world hunger for something less than $6 billion if the World Food Programme would supply a plan? And then WFP supplied the plan. And then Musk just…didn’t supply the funs to prevent people from starving.
Isn’t this the same guy who performed two sieg heils in front of a live audience on live TV. Then he was to much of a sissy to admit it.
I miss pre-obama times when I didn’t know every corrupt jackasses name from spouting BS on Xitter.
Not quite, someone posted that he could end it and he responded that if the WFP provided a plan showing the specifics of how world hunger could be ended for that amount he would fund it. WFP then provided a plan for how that amount could be used to help reduce world hunger for a short time and Elon said “the claim was end world hunger, not reduce it temporarily” which meant they didn’t meet challenge.
The easiest way to end world hunger is to have a daily ritual where we sacrifice the wealthiest person alive every day until world hunger ends. Every day a new wealthiest person will be made so we will not run out too quickly.
All hail Patecatl!
if by “sacrifice” you mean “forfeit all their assets and distribute them equally” your plan might have some merit
No, we chop them into tiny pieces and eat them. You are not hungry with a billionaire pig in your stomach! 🐷
why not both? :)
You know what would end poverty? A trillion dollars
If you’re talking world wide you could give everyone on earth that is currently in poverty about $1200. That’s enough to help a great deal in poor countries, but it would be very temporary. If you’re talking just the USA, you’d be giving everyone in poverty $30k. That would certainly keep people out of poverty for a while. But under capitalism where people have to work many would be back in poverty in a year. Cash infusion would only work if it was permanent like a UBI.
Even if you spent that money to build free housing all over the country, it wouldn’t be enough to end poverty, though that would probably be the best use of the money. Just flood the market with housing availability and living gets way cheaper.
You could eliminate a bunch of systemic issues with a trillion dollars that would amount to essentially ending many of the effects of poverty for most people in poverty I would think.
Things like food insecurity, shelter, etc.
You’re right that just spending a trillion dollars as a one off grant to everyone in poverty wouldn’t do much, though. It’d need to be used strategically.
It’s the covid checks versus the infrastructure bill lmao. Should we give everyone $1200 or like build roads that everyone uses. Clearly one has long term economic impacts and one has short term economic impacts.
Same with how you acquire the money. Raising annual taxes vs civil forfeiture. All this shit is just a distraction from turning the tax system upside down and not relying on the poor/middle class to fund profits for the .01%
I mean yes if we as individuals go out and spend said money immediately on food it’s not going to last long. But if a village put their $1200 together to build critical infrastructure they could make life much better with their share. It’s like a government spending program or something!
Are you joking? Not even close.
By “eliminate poverty” he means let robots do all the jobs the poors do and let the poors die.
“Eliminate poverty” vs “E-L-I-M-I-N-A-T-E poverty”
Eliminate, as in make liminal. He’s gonna make the poors mad liminal, brah , and he’s got the shrooms to prove it
Can someone ask him to clarify what he mean by “eliminate poverty”?
Because there are a couple of way to do that which I’m not too found to.
In a sense, this is what will happen when people are simply disposed of because they are useless.
AI executioners.
Ask one of his shitty robots! Failing that: “Hey Grok, how would you eliminate poverty?”
Grok: I would get rid of unnecessary parasites( poor and unnecessary people )
That would be deemed too woke, going for the billionaires and trust funds.
The full presentation is 10x weirder. He says the robots will eliminate poverty and provide universal health care. In fact, he says the only way we can get universal health care is with optimus robots. He also says that with optimus robots we don’t need prisons. We just have an optimus robot follow criminals around and it will stop them from commiting crimes.
He also sounds like a 5th grader nervously stumbling through a speech to their class about Luis and Clark.
Kill all poors obviously
He could give all of the poor people some of his tesla shares.
If he had done this, he wouldn’t be so cool.
I’m not even going to look up what “Optimus” is. I don’t waste time on this clown anymore.
You just know already he’s gonna scam, grift and cheat to get that pay package, not do anything worthwhile.
And if he can’t get it, he’ll cry and sue to get it anyway.
You’ve already seen it most likely, that stupid bipedal robot that isn’t autonomous yet and can barely navigate on a concrete floor.
It’s simply a way to get a trillion dollars by spending a few million on a project that gets scrapped.
It’s crazy how we all know this dude is the male cracked out version of Elizabeth Holmes and getting paid unfathomable sums of money to commit all of these obvious and serious crimes in public.
That’s not money, that’s power. Money quits being money somewhere around a million dollars a year-ish, call it 100M lump sum. Above that, more money isn’t an abstract thing you buy goods, services and real-estate with, it’s power: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
He bought the whole US president. Watch him kill SLS and Gateway the second Issacman gets confirmed as head NASA admin. I don’t know why private companies don’t fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
I don’t know why private companies don’t fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
It’s not that they can’t fund their own: it’s “why would they, when they can use their wealth and influence to get it funded by taxpayers?” https://youtu.be/kTlhIQeBWHI?t=20
Unless you buy Twitter.
No, that was absolutely that. Do you not think he gained a massive amount of control with that?
No one takes X seriously.
Is that why most politicians, musicians, comedians etc, still treat it as their main platforms to get info out? Because they don’t take it seriously?
The big problem is actually that they do. That social inertia works so slowly that they didn’t.
That some random crypto company making Bluesky was the closest to a solution, and it looks like it will also have some power crazed person leading it.
I still think there’s a difference.
When people talk about wielding money like power, its more along the lines of
- if you don’t do what I say, I’ll destroy you by doing XYZ.
- you better change your laws or I can fuck shit up in some way.
- I can break the law because you can’t fucking touch me.
- Your example: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
For Twitter he actually used his wealth as actual money to buy something you would buy with money.
He did get power from it yes, but I still think there’s a distinction when talking about wiedling it as power vs using money as money.
Gotta say this difference seems very arbitrary. He bought a company, and platform. Both direct how people spend their time. A platform is obvious but a company, he directs what the people who work there work on. Its definitely a match to somewhere far past where money buys you things.
There’s all kinds of power and influence of people through the press is a very traditional kind of indirect power for people to wield. When I talk about money as power it definitely includes the power to influence how people think and vote and act without putting an actual gun to their heads. Twitter is the new TV and TV was the new radio and the radio was the new newspaper… All kinds of wealthy and powerful people in the past sought control of the press, not only for their own desires, but also as a bargaining chip with other people with power: “do this for me and I’ll make you look good on my platform…”
These are forward looking claims on something they are building. It’s not quite the same.
FSD is closer, but it is an improving product.
It’d be more like if FSD wasn’t ever improving even and yet he still kept making the claims.
He should still be punished for the FSD stuff though.
Perhaps he should get Full Self Driving to work first… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think you may have misunderstood…it’s actually fool self driving.
Ooh ooh and that hyper-loop bullshit. Oh and that tunnel boreing thing.
…Fake solar tiles, manned missions to Mars, fake electric semi trucks, mind controlling brain implants…
I still can’t believe the man tried to sell tunnels lmao. Actually sold one to Vegas 😭
Premiere of Ontario wants then under hundreds of kilometers of highway.
But not for trains or public transit??
That’s already killing people, he’s looking to the future with his robot army
LMAO! My friend, he’s just saying it so he can get the government to buy a bunch of robots so he can meet the Tesla pay agreement requirements and become a trillionaire. There are so many reasons what your fantasy can’t and won’t happen.
Oh, I know … and that’s what makes it sad is because he could help to make the world a better place.
This is what makes me sad every day. I’d love to be so rich money is just water out of a faucet to me, but at that point why not just do good? Like, even in a selfish way? If you’re so fucking rich that you can change the fates of nations, why not do it just out of hubris and the desire to be put in the history books? "CaptainBlinky, who was known as a relentless capitalist, died having given his 200 billion dollars in wealth before he died to solve homelessness in the nation and will be known forever as the “homemaker.” Like, why would you NOT do some sh like that? It boggles.
Only if you believed his bollocks, which we all know is not to be believed
"Instead of physically jailing prisoners, Optimus could “follow you around and stop you from doing crime,” he said
This is going to last all of 30 seconds as that is the amount of time it’ll take for a criminal to hop a cyclone fence and take off never to be seen again. Or we can have the 10 minute scenario where criminal and friends take sledgehammers to the thing and sell it for scrap.
Literally slap-drones from the Culture lol
Can the rich should stop running all the cool stuff, please? Optimus, Anduril, palantir, lambas, mithril… Every childhood memory tainted by evil businessmen
in the oligarchs dialect it translates to “eliminate the poor not useful for slave labour”
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He can’t even hire people that can do it let alone do any of it himself.
They aren’t going to provide for people’s basic needs after the robots take their jobs. They’re going to keep the excess productivity for themselves. Just as they’ve always done. The only way that changes is by force, and by the time people get desperate enough for that they’ll have an army of robots at their disposal. We need to tackle that capitalist problem before we get to the point automation taking all the jobs.
Elon’s bullshit isn’t going to be that point though.
This is astonishing.
He’s hoarding the profits of automation for himself, while socializing the lost wages and poverty that will come from this.
But the issue is that we know full well that they’ll escape paying out their massive profits as taxes, which is what MUST happen for the model to work. Shareholder payouts need to be taxed at like 50+% rate or even more.
There needs to be a hard cap on wealth at around 100 mil, but defined relative some multiple of a median yearly salary.
If the salaries grow, the total wealth cap can grow too. And vice versa.
Large wealth should be about luxury and having lots of toys, and not about being a law-making aristocrat who is themselves outside the reach of the law like now.
People who hit wealth cap should have no privacy, and be banned from any interactions with the government. There should be some trade-offs to huge wealth. A mega wealthy person should lose something for the priviledge of having so much wealth. Also mandatory psychiatric tests, to make sure they are human and not a lizard in a human suit. OK, I am joking about the last part.
Keep trying to fix something that doesn’t work.
What don’t you understand?
We have had capitalism for over three hundred years and now it has come to its end and here we are trying to prop up its corpse.
It’s time to become an adult as a (human) race and let the people take control of society.
No longer should we let the control of society be in the hands of the few.
Tax shareholders 100%. No more shareholders.
Is this the guy that did a Nazi salute at your President’s inauguration?
Judge for yourselves!
grok called him MECHAHITLER.
