For starters, bulk copying a person’s documents without their approval sounds like mass copyright violation.
If it’s a machine used for business: corporate espionage.
Oh, that’s okay though, you signed them the rights to do that by having an account with them
… I’m sure is how they’ll spin it
Microsoft Data Theft as a Service
“By involuntarily uploading your data to onedrive you also agree for it to be used in training AI models”
Checkmate, consumer.
“Also we will keep a copy of your data on our cloud service, for you to access, for only $19.99 a month”
At this point, Microsoft is becoming an advertisement for Linux.
I finally switched to Linux Mint a few weeks ago. CoPilot/ Recall was the last straw.
Been using Mint for about a month now on my daily laptop. It’s nice, not having to deal with windows’ bullshit, but on the other hand I’ve had a number of issues with it; most recently, it sort of reboots itself every so often randomly. That, and issues with not being able to hear high fidelity audio on a bluetooth headset while also using the headset’s mic (there’s a codec that let’s me use both mic and audio, but the audio is low quality).
Usually though issues get fixed with an update, just gotta check the update manager often.
I work with Linux for a living and am finding the transition frustrating myself. It feels like every new is just revealing more stuff I have to configure before it works, then usually get hit with the backend of the solution as well. Be sure to check /var/log/anythingrelevant for the system reboots for logs. My display driver kept crashing.
I made the transition last summer and there was definitely growing pains. Over time it will become second nature like everything else. The advice I would give would be to be patient and accept that you have used a different operating system probably for over a decade, so there will be a learning curve initially.
Also, artificial intelligence models (especially Claude) are very useful for troubleshooting.
Just a heads up, Windows 11 IoT LTSC is out, and it has none of M$'s bullshit you read about weekly. It can be tricky to find the .iso, so it would be a real shame if people wasted their time looking for it @ massgrave.dev
It’s somehow even trickier to find a list of differences between them and regular win 11.
It’s probably hard to keep up with lol. I’ll try my best. It has Edge and Defender ONLY. No cortana, copilot, recall, candy crush bloat or anything similar, .net, vcredist, edgeview/runtime, TPM requirement, online account, secure boot, store, xbox, one drive, winget, nor widgets.
You finish the install and it is BARE. All I do post install is, in regex and gpedit, turn off telemetry.
For my use, Steam installs all the .net and vcredist as needed.
Store and Xbox and the like are available to install via power shell or downloads, but fair warning. Once you do store or M$ account sign in, copilot and recall might find a way to sneak in via updates. None of them work, and error out when you open them, but the fact they install and exist makes me uneasy.
Edit: If you don’t even want Defender, nor Edge, look up Windows X-Lite. That man is a wizard at figuring out the bare minimum needed for an .iso.
Didn’t know these customized windows os’s were still a thing. I thought they did out in the windows 7 age
But like back then, how do we know these are safe and don’t have some kind of password stealing malware? Excluding Defender specifically makes it a bit sus
There’s a custom OS forum where I found it originally a year ago. Everything got scanned from virus total when uploaded and showed the report. And the guy had an excellent reputation there as well. I decided to go for it until 11 LTSC came out, and daily drove it for 2+ years issue free.
In the end, it’s up to you if you want to trust it.
I think reputation is better than the virus total scan, since it wouldn’t catch malware broken up in different parts that are integrated into the OS.
I will definitely keep this in mind. Have you had any issues with the OS not having Edge? I thought it wasn’t easily possible without causing some issues.
One of the things for X-Lite I would do post install, is install Edge WebView2 along with the other runtimes available on X-Lites website. Not sure if I ever needed it or not, but never had issues with no Edge.
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bullshit like this is getting worse and worse and is why i moved away from windows.
Same. They’ve always done this shit, but installing windows - and then uninstalling or disabling all the cooked-in bloat and spyware - has become so ridiculously tiresome that I just said fuck it and went Linux full-time.
Every update or service pack, it starts all over. There’s no such thing as a clean windows install.
Nobara was up and running in like ten minutes with no fuckery at all, and it’s no nice not having to fight my OS on everything.
the constant cat and mouse game to disable the crap is something i dont miss after switching.
You game and if yes, ATI or Nvidia?
Edit: yes I’m old and meant AMD.
I’d be really impressed if anyone still gamed on ATI.
I’m not that guy but yes and Nvidia
I can testify for AMD. It just works on the 7900xtx.
Early last year it had issues buy they pushed a driver update and its perfect now.
Yep! I’m on Nvidia, the new drivers are really solid. I’ve read AMD cards run fine as well, but don’t use one
What are you running? I tried Ubuntu as my daily driver and honestly found it’s user experience pretty shitty. Lots of little buggy issues with the interface and running a few games on steam that support Linux wasn’t great
i’m running ubuntu. its flawless for me. its less work to set it up how i like it than to remove all the crapware on windows.
if you are running nvidia it might explain the little issues.
Yeah I run a 4070. What’s the go with nvidia
nvidia doesnt follow the standards with their linux driver, its just the windows driver adapted to run on linux. its not bad for gaming ime, but causes all sorts of little issues on the desktop especially if you are running wayland instead of xorg.
its changing though, they opened the source code for it and are currently rewriting the driver with the community. long way to go still though.
Never knew, thanks for the info. Probably explains what I experienced. Nothing super major but just enough to annoy me over time
What do you mean by this?
nvidia drivers are much less than ideal on linux, it causes all sorts of small issues on the desktop. depends on your setup though, some people run it fine.
Hmm. I think I’m going mad - I read your comment completely differently last time. Seemed completely unreliable. Probably just me lol.
i often edit my commeents for clarity, might have been it
Ah, gotcha, maybe that’s what I’m seeing then :)
Recently I’ve found Fedora based distros better than debian (like Ubuntu) based ones, especially on “newer” hardware (https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Hezio/saved/#view=TwZfpg)
For gaming Bazzite literally installs everything you need for you except Proton GE, although Steam’s regular Proton isn’t bad either for most games.
It’s really a matter of would you rather:
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Deal with MS relentlessly jamming their garbage down your throat
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Become a sysadmin
Really depends on your use case. Like @[email protected] said, casual users that use the OS as a browser and email client can use practically any distro. Users that do a bit more, like casual gaming on gold-rated Steam games, generally do fine with something like Pop!_OS or Linux Mint.
It’s when you start going towards the more hardcore users, like really hardcore gamers that play obscure titles or have unsupported Windows-specific hardware, artists that need very specific unsupported programs for editing or recording, engineers who need to do CAD specifically in a Windows-specific proprietary software, or a tinkerer that’s used to the Windows environment, that “become a sysadmin” starts being a reasonable complaint.
I became a sysadmin, I like being able to learn to get around problems. But an outsider just sees someone spending all morning fiddling with winetricks when it ‘just works’ on windows.
not that big of a deal if you choose a distro with good defaults ootb. choosing the right distro is the biggest step imo if you don’t want to debug your computer.
The thing is it’s the same base linux as decade(s?) ago, windows is changing how stuff is done all the time.
So a one time effort or a marathon IMO.
I don’t think my grandma was a sysadmin.
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Fedora and bluefin have been working quite well for me.
Its been their practice since the early 90s. Bundling and defaulting all their shitty apps, then making sure everything else has compatibility issues by design.
The worst thing to happen to Microsoft was the IETF. It shattered their walled garden and forced them to integrate with a host of other internationally developed and encoded systems through a uniform protocol. They’ve spent the last 30 years trying to claw their position of OS dominance back.
Win10 ending, copilot and this shit. Finally pushed me over. Going to order a new ssd and install mint on my main rig.
I’m seeing that a hell of a lot this year… Linux might actually finally make some real headwind with the tech crowd
I kept my Windows drive in my pc when I switched to linux, I wanted to be able to mount it to grab stuff I missed or boot into it incase I needed it.
I haven’t even mounted it for close to a year.
When I rebuilt mine a few months back, I got two drives so I could put windows on one of them, and mounted my old drives for the same reason… I’ve barely touched the old data and the second SSD has not even been formatted yet, and when I do it’ll probably be to give my current system more space
I installed Fedora as a dual boot 2 months ago, and I haven’t once booted up Windows in that time. Everything just worked. Now that I feel a bit more confident I’m going to wipe the entire drive and try Fedora Atomic.
Windows users are like abuse victims at this point.
No news is good news.
I have to use Outlook for work. It is so annoying to have to avoid the one drive attachment option everytime I attach a file to an email. Nobody wants to be forced to deal with that crap.
I legit don’t understand why this exists. Why would anyone want a bunch of shit in their OneDrive to have a permanent link?
Microsoft just loves money at the expense of quality products.
So how many Windows refugees will end up fleeing to the Kingdom of Torvalds?
I’m extremely close at this point.
Give it a go, it was surprisingly not as big an issue as I thought it would be, even for gaming (though not perfect for gaming, I’ve been able to get things working without too much headache at least)
Do it!
I just turned it off as it kept bitching about the storage being full.
I don’t need you bish, fuck off.
Oohh, that’s a good way to potentially break this. Just download a ton of useless stuff and upload it onto OneDrive. People could make this service really expensive for Microsoft.
better yet upload gigabytes of senseless text and photos and let Microsoft train their AI on that
Double whammy is a good idea.
I want to take a picture of a brick and duplicate it over and over, then zip those up and duplicate that zip into OneDtive until it tells me I can’t any more.
So you want to throw a brick through OneDrive’s Windows?
Anyone know where I can find a copy of Shrek in 8k resolution.
I have a gif?
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How does anyone put up with using that OS? It’s 2024, it’s time to move on. Sheesh
The only two things making me use windows for now are my inability to run FL Studio on Linux (I tried before, I’ll try again)
Procrastination to go through my files to see if there’s something worth backing up before I wipe my drive
Check out Ardour for music production 👍
There are alternative DAWs but ngl they all make me sad. And some vsts are a nightmare to get running too.
But they are alot better than trying to get fl running on Linux imo. Check out zrythm if you ever have some time to kill. It sounds lile the most promising one.
I’m just in love with FL’s keyboard roll and I’m just used to the entire daw. I don’t really want to switch to a different one
I think Bottles has a ready-made profile for installing FL, last I saw it was marked as silver quality. Might be worth a try? I’m a Bitwig user so I haven’t needed to try it. :p (Though I have heard tales of FL’s magnificent piano roll.)
Its honestly amazing. I keep hearing bitwig is the way to go if you want to use linux and also be happy
I’m gonna save this comment for the time when I eventually switch (I got shitton of WIP stuff)
These days it’s best to use Windows on computer where you need it for a specific application, and another machine for your desktop. Sometimes with a switch so you can use the same keyboard/mouse/monitor
I know someone who uses one of those beelink minis or similar as a dedicated machine to run their 3d printer because the company doesn’t support Linux as well as Windows.
It sucks to have to keep your nice production machine separate from your desktop, but it really beats the headache of virtualization or dual booting
Depending on use case, virtualization can actually be way easier
That’s really interesting! How so? I’d figure that windows would have the better hardware support so running it in vm would be weird
I use Revi. fresh install then immediately install Revi, gets rid of all the bloatware, copilot, onedrive, edge, etc.
I’d switch to a linux install but I just don’t have to time to figure out which is the right one for me, installing it, configuring it, etc. I wish I did, wish I had the time to play around with it but I simply don’t. (I mean maybe someone smarter than me can tell me a linux distro that will work with world of warcraft, steam, final fantasy xiv, etc) so I have to settle with win 11+revi
I just don’t have to time to figure out which is the right one for me, installing it, configuring it, etc
Ah, then you want Mint.
I mean maybe someone smarter than me can tell me a linux distro that will work with world of warcraft, steam, final fantasy xiv, etc.
Mint, ive had no issue with any of those except WoW, whose issue is that I do not play it to test it. it even handled modded FNV better than Windows ever did once I figure out SteamTinkerLaunch
Dalamud (QuickXIVLauncher) even is on the distro software hub for easy download to your system, works great.
I just want to follow up and say “thank you so much!” I took the dive and partioned out space for Linux Mint. played around with it for a bit and said “fuck it, I love this thing” and did a fresh install on my laptop deleting windows 11.
Holy crap this thing has improved my laptop so much. it’s so damn fast, boots up quicklly and believe it or not my battery lasts longer now. I just spent hours customizing how it looks, it’s fun, it’s great.
Also I was easilly about to install steam, elden ring, Final Fantasy XIV and even World of Warcraft and they all work, and run, better on this machine now.
WoW was actually pretty easy to get going in all honesty. Instead of installing WoW directly on Litrus instead you install Battle.net via Litrus and it simply does the rest, EVEN going that route allowed me to install other blizzard games like Hearthstone without doing anything special.
My only beef right now is I’m having issues customizing the panel like I want. Tried installing polybar and got in a bit over my head with i3wm but I’m sure I’ll figure that stuff out soon. Got a cool app launcher going that makes things so much easier, even changed the shell and got zsh going which is great.
I love it, absolutely love it and won’t be going back to Windows ever. I imagine once I get a handle of Mint I might switch to a different distro like Arch (I love the look of that and how people have customized it) but for now this is perfect.
I never saw your other comment asking for elaboration so I’m sorry for that, but super glad it’s working out for ya! You sound exactly like I did when I first swapped lol
Good luck with the taskbar, we all find that one damn white whale!
awesome, I’m familiar with Dalamud, I’ll give Mint a shot when I have some time. thank you very much.
I’m a total Linux noob though so should I be fairly good to go with Mint?
ooh boy, and I was going to do pop!OS on my main rig thinking mint wasn’t good for gaming.
Mint is great, been using it for the past couple days and I’ve been able to get Elden Ring, FFXIV, WoW, Balatro, and FNV with a bunch of mods running on it very smoothly. all very easy to install. Steam games worked just like Windows for installing. WoW took a bit of extra steps but nothing difficult to do. Love Mint, it’s so easy to use. It’s like “hmm I wonder if I could customize or do this on it” and with Mint the answer 9 out of 10 times is yes.
There are way too many nice features on Windows that don’t exist or are time consuming to set up on Linux. My only pain point on Windows, other than the stupid pop-ups advertising other services, are the fact that I can’t install individual GNU tools like nano easily.
I got a new laptop at work and everything, every file I worked in, was creating a second copy of itself on OneDrive. It was so annoying and took awhile but I found instructions on deleting the duplicates.
It took all the files off my local machine and left the ones on OneDrive.
Aaaargh!
Yeah, it did this to me a few months back. Got the files back local eventually but it was a big pain in my arse. If I had time to learn another os I’d already be gone. Seems like Microsoft is determined to asset-strip whatever good reputation their product had left.
If you start with something like PopOS, Linux Mint, or Universal Blue the learning curve shouldn’t be too high.
And this is why nobody trusts windows
Windows has always been trash. People use it because it usually comes with the machine.
Windows 3.1 - 98 weren’t too bad. Windows 95 was massive and people queued to buy boxed copies, so far from just using it because it came with the machine. Windows used to have actual fans, people that enjoyed using the OS
