Version 2 of the European app alternatives. Feel free to share it :)
Since I canceled Claude and ChatGPT I’m really enjoying https://chat.mistral.ai/ It might be a few months behind quality wise, but it is really fast, which is great for quick searches and brainstorming. It even has a canvas feature now.
For maps I’d also like to add Organic Maps, OsmAnd and Magic Earth.
especially Organic Maps, it’s got the most user-friendly UI out of the three
Thank you! We already had Organic Maps in the database but I will add OsmAnd and Magic Earth now.
MagicEarth is the european version of Waze.
Good to know. :)
Peertube has this fediverse problem. You google it, go to the webpage and instead of getting a list of promoted videos, you get an explanation of what it is and a manual on how to actually join, starting with „select a pot“. You then get to search the list of pots that all have like 10 viewers and 5gb upload limit. I stopped at this point.
That being said, i really would like an European youtube alternative, but not off the „provide your own hardware“ kind.
Exactly my problem why I’m not really getting into Lemmy either, same with mastodon. The whole decentralization standing in the middle of it all is just annoying.
Also yeah, Peertube did not even look like a competitor at all. Same with Threema with it costing 6 euros to use
Yeah, it reminds me of that software Richard from silicon valley tv show made that was just so overly complicated. I’ve got to say the people who come up with these ideas are very intelligent, but it’s so overly complicated and not user friendly at all.
They are too set on catering to the small minority that cares about the privacy/decentrilisation of it all while a normal user just cares about: Simply creating an account and using the service
Joinpeertube.org doesn’t have the best onboarding, but take a look at the pinned post at [email protected] for a few good servers to choose from.
If it has to be explained in a post on another site then it’s guaranteed to lose.
“man this email thing will NEVER take off”
this is how you people sound, seriously.
It has already come a long way and will continue to get better and easier; put in the tiny bit of effort required to help it grow.
Defeatism because everything isn’t spoonfed to you and 100% on par with YouTube is actively harmful to the transition away from American products.
Until it’s as easy as Reddit or YouTube then we are not going to meet critical mass. This isn’t being defeatist, this is being realistic.
Yeah these are real problems that need to be addressed, not issues to say “nuh uh” and bury our head in the sand to
Thank you
Edit: this is much more helpful than the website
Calling Peertube a Youtube alternative is just wrong. It is an alternative in theory but it probably doesn’t even have a milionth of the content that Youtube has.
That’s the problem with “the winner takes it all” on the Internet. Which European alternative would you suggest instead?
There is no real YouTube alternative, unfortunately. The content makes a video platform great. No alternative video platform is anywhere close to YouTube in content diversity.
It’s unfortunately a very different situation to most other things. For example you can “simply” convince your circle of friends to use Threema. Try convincing your favorite Youtubers to post on any alternative platform and see how far you get.
I understand - my hope here would be we see „real“ content that is not clickbait optimized as there is no incentive on that
I’m not saying PeerTube is bad, but if I was a regular person that wanted an alternative to YouTube, going to PeerTube would be an annoying experience that will probably turn me off from it. You have to let people come with the appropriate expectations.
YouTube also didn’t have that variety and amount of videos when it started \o/
Everybody should consider donating even €1 to PeerTube and/or Framasoft if they can.
So? Again, peertube is great and I’m hoping it grows, but sending people ther as a YT alternative right now is just misleading, odyssey is much closer and even then I wouldn’t call it a real alternative yet.
Dailymotion ?
Good idea!
Dailymotion.com is French …I’d suggest more than recommend but it’s still better than all these peer tube type sites.
Thanks for the suggestion! Added to the database.
A potential alternative then. It’s up to us to foster that potential. If we want to have an alternative to YouTube, we’ll actually have to actively do something to change that.
Where’s Signal (or molly if you need foss)? Signal is an non-profit organisation, so I’d say it can hardly be branded ‘from’ anywhere unless you’re talking about servers location but then…
Signal is still an american non-profit. The HQ is in US and everybody in the board if directors is american.
Signal is centralised, and as such the location of the service operator matters a lot.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Missing out the big one here - Spotify is also European fyi.
I told OP this in previous post; Spotify gave money to Trumps’ inauguration. That’s why it was removed.
Shameless plug for Navidrome
Want your music, always available. No ads, no enshitification. Maximum quality, always reliable?
There is only one clear winner for me.
Interesting service! Good if you own a library of music.
“Own”
What are the quotes for? I own the files on my hard drive. I may not have obtained them through traditional means, but I own them.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We learn and iterate. Thanks for the feedback! We still list Spotify in the database but plan to include quality factors in the (probably not so near) future as well to better differentiate between “European address” and “European commitment”.
What the heck is “European commitment”?
Production in EU, Production in Europe, Production outside Europe could be factors for example and is what I referred to as “European commitment” prior. “European address” would be minimum presence in Europe but formally incorporated there.
That’s a fair point.
but also platforms right wingers that had an impact on influencing our election. i get i shouldn’t be the one guiding boycotts of my own nation’s products, i’m just saying spotify has been antihelpful when it comes to the creation of this situation
Yeah I can totally understand that especially in relation to Rogan etc.
left Spotify for Deezer. Spotify owners are fashy.
I use Spotify Connect quite extensively to put music onto my radio without it being Bluetooth. Does Deezer have an equivalent?
i have no idea. 😅 https://www.deezer.com/
Why don’t we include nestle then?
Just because it is European, doesn’t mean the company is worth a shit dripping down a wall.
Spotify is a shit company. Pays artists by far the lowest in the industry (especially if you take into account their scummy minimums, catches, and terms for smaller musicians), injects shitty AI songs into Spotify-made playlists so they won’t have to pay the artists the little they do, gives “donations” to fascists, and heavily invests in fucking war companies including partnering one who is essentially trying to make “the dark night” tracking machine to pair with AI assassination drones.
(Also side note, have you noticed all of these scummy surveillance companies making their names into very well-known references to pop culture so that all news stories on them are essentially lost to the pop culture void when searching for them? Palantir, helsing, etc…)
Yes, multiple people have pointed this out already and I’ve agreed with them. However I work in the music industry and Spotify is definitely not paying by far the lowest. By sheer volume they’re paying most of the share a song is earning nowadays and even on a per play basis they are fairly similar to their competitors, maybe slightly lower.
We can make the argument that revenue on a per stream basis is much too low in general and I would agree, but then we also have to rethink the entire pricing model.
OK, true Pandora pays the least, but Spotify is down there.
Spotify pays 0.3¢ per stream.
Tidal pays 1.3¢ per stream, 400% more
Qobuz is around 4¢ per stream, 300% more. Some regions can apparently go down to as little as 1¢ per stream, still much more.
Hell, apple music pays over double what Spotify does at 0.8¢
Yes it pay around what shitty US companies pay per stream, but the whole point of this point is that it is a bad standard. PLUS, these other services don’t have the “shit on small artists” policies like Spotify.
Let’s take a small artist that has 10k streams on Spotify and qobuz:
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on qobuz they earn more than 100 euros
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on Spotify they earn 0 euros
and anything above their minimum, does not earn the total, but the total - the minimum
A small artist that has 20k streams on the same two, and assume the Spotify stream minimum is 10k (IIRC it is a bit higher)
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on qobuz, they earn more than 200€
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on spotify, they earn about 30€
Plus this isn’t even addressing the making of shitty AI music and injecting it in playlists to steal even more revenue from artists.
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Spotify was a massive donor to the Trump campaign and pays artists one of the lowest rates per song.
This is missing Spotify and TomTom unless I am missing something
Thanks for the feedback. It is not supposed to be a complete list. It’s a start. You can find more alternatives in our database: https://buy-european.net/
One more request then! If appreciate it is your not put text everywhere without additional information. For example the AI filler on the browser page is just noise. Is rather only have the list than contract filters:
“”" There are several compelling reasons to opt for European web browsers. These browsers not only prioritize user privacy and data protection but also foster innovation and support local technology ecosystems. “”"
Thanks for the project by the way!
Thanks for the feedback! We decided to go for it as we want to make sure that the database is not specifically designed for tech-savvy people. We want to give basic information to make the move to different solutions accessible and easy to understand for everyone.
It’s pretty telling that, as a European, I’ve literally not heard of any of those European alternatives.
Some of these aren’t European so I wouldn’t feel too bad. PixelFed is American, for example.
Edit: PixelFed is Canadian
I thought Canadian?
Canada is in North America, tbf.
No, PixelFed is fully Canadian. It is also open-source, Federated, and the developer is a stand up guy.
It tells more about you. Deezer, Soundcloud, DeepL and Bolt are pretty popular globally.
That doesn’t mean that they are subfunctional though.
Unfortunately, the PeerTube community is inactive and small. There are basically no interesting videos at all.
[email protected] is quite active and tries to highlight interesting content.
Sorry but 2 posts in the last week can hardly be considered quite active.
Thanks, I will try it out.
SepiaSeach will search a large number of instances for content. Not a bad start for peertube. But I do agree that it’s hard to find good content there.
Yep, as it doesn’t have a monetization incentive it will be never that appealing. There should be a way for authors to earn money.
monetizing life led to the shittiness. don’t do it again.
It’s true that the monetisation of everything is pretty awful, but it’s one of the most important reasons to join a platform for content creators whether we like it or not.
The main reason to join a platform for a creator is the amount of the potential viewers, which of course don’t increase much without new content creators. Therefore Peertube needs a secondary reason for creators to join, which it doesn’t seem to have.
If anything, joining Peertube will in theory decrease their income, which actually gives them a reason to not join :(
Monetization is in the pipeline for PeerTube. Since viewers share parts of the video with other viewer peers (like torrenting), viral videos do not cost PeerTube servers like they would on YouTube.
at this point in my life, i just can’t care about catering once again to capitalism. i’m basically out of that game and encourages others to do the same.
youtube worked because it was fun to make videos for each other as a community. that’s what peertube brings back and i prefer it that way rather than the attention-addicted sickness it has become.
Monetizing leads to being able to pay bills. Don’t you think authors deserve being paid for the content if they wish so? Besides Google managing of youtube is cause of shittiness. Personally I would be fine with a subscription as long as artists get most of it.
it doesn’t need to be built in. there’s already a section to add Support links.
How do support links work?
just external links to donate sites, patreons, Kofi, etc.
Yeah, that does not and will not work, at least not on scale. Think about an average user - do you think he/she will donate to each video he/she watches, perhaps on TV? But if the model is a subscription one (think Netflix, Tidal, Spotify, heck, perhaps even YouTube and so on, with amount being fairly distributed to authors), then it just might work.
Can not agree more. When I open YouTube and see the amount of clickbait previews, badly cut and created content and just copies left n right I loose all interest
It’s not about monetisation. It’s about audience. Who is going to bother to host an instance and post to a platform where the most popular videos only get 100 views?
That’s not true. Check out the pinned post at [email protected] for a list of content creators. Also check out the home page of PeerTube.wtf that also has a list of content creators.
One thing that list shows me is that Google are incredibly good at what they do, and have a finger in almost every pie imaginable.
Google Photos, Google Pass…
And they’re all excellent products, too.
True, but FOSS and free alternatives are very good too. I am amazed by Immich for example (Photos) or Organic Maps (Maps), Tuta (Mails) or Bitwarden (Pass). I have cut my ties with Google personnaly and try to get my close ones to follow but they are not always interested even if I propose the service selfhosted for free.
Organic Maps ftw.
if you’re considering Qobuz, it’s amazing, and if you’re a student it’s quite affordable with their student plan.
unrelated tool, for more technical folks <3
Last time I checked ecosia gets it’s search queries from Bing, just a heads up. Other than that I’d say it’s really solid.
There is Mojeek that is based in UK and have an own search index and web crawler. I wouldn’t recommend it. Mojeek.com
Just wait for this https://blog.ecosia.org/eusp/
Qwant and Swisscows are in the same basket too.
I think Qwant hasn’t been using Bing for awhile now actually
Ecosia is a Bing proxy.
Aren’t all these alternatives just Google or bing proxies?
Threema isn’t. Anyway, it’s a bad list. It’s reminiscent of Russian “import replacement” lists which nobody takes seriously.
They are working on ditching Bing.
Peertube doesn’t work
PeerTube work just fine.
