The administration of lemmy.ml routinely abuses its rule 1 anti-bigotry policy to conduct political censorship, deleting documented facts regarding the ukraine invasion, holodomor, and xinjiang abuses under false pretexts of imperialist propaganda, misinformation, and nazism while leaving pro-Kremlin talking points untouched.
Verifiable public moderation logs prove this systemic shielding of state propaganda, down to moderators inverting standard geopolitical context, such as noting that fringe extremist units do not make an entire democratic nation fascist, to ban dissenters under the explicit excuse of being a Nazi.
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=25800386 and https://lemmy.world/modlog/446?page=1&actionType=All&userId=20355358.
The Europe community moderator (https://lemmy.world/u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml), who focuses exclusively on criticizing the West and never Russia or China, banned me as a Nazi.
I decided to block the lemmy.ml instance entirely to avoid any further interaction.
I see that there are dozens of relevant posts; you can find the relevant report posts here
- https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
- https://lemmy.world/post/5697017
- https://lemmy.world/post/50302822
- https://lemmy.world/post/13238608
- https://lemmy.world/post/43978041
Log screenshots
The comments in this post are turning nasty and I’ve already banned two users for their behavior. Locked.
You must be new around here. This is old news and a reason a lot of places block ml
It’s important to document their behavior anyway, because not al places block ml.
I knew that lemmy.ml is tankies, but removing comments/posts that don’t serve their agenda is new to me.
In large part that is what the word “tankie” means - denial of reality, instead substituting their own, which can only be done inside of a controlled echo chamber. Tankie is no way is synonymous with Communist.
Think MAGA but on the left - it’s otherwise identical in terms of behaviors, merely different talking points.
You may find this illustrative:
It’s pro-authoritarian. That means this control is not really a contradiction. They say they’re leftist, but I think it’d be hard to actually justify that based on the groups they support. Russia isn’t leftist. The USSR may have been, but it’s long gone. Russia is anti-LGBT+ and doesn’t protect workers. It’s an oligarchy.
There are only two consistent things they follow. They’re pro-authoritarian and anti-west.
You may find this illustrative:
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Thanks. I still have no idea what I’m looking at though. A left-right scale of some kind - is it just randomly drawn lines in the classic political compass?
It is labeled “stethoscope theory” and the image is just regular horseshoe theory, but with “far left” replaced by Tankies and moved to its own special branch that continues off to the left instead of circling back around.
Thank you! That at least gave me enough context to find this image (let’s see if it works)
One of my first experiences in the Fediverse was mentioning the Uyghur genocide and having my comment promptly removed by the .ml admins. They’ve been doing this all the time.
When I first got on here I waded into a thread praising north korea and got so many downvotes for not knowing how awesome the Kim regime is. Fucking tankies man
It’s a rite of passage here 😁
imagine you mentioned the tianamin massacre, it would get thier panties in a wad.
They’ve always done this. “Rule 1” Is pretty much a .ml meme catch all for “you aren’t allowed to use facts here. Agree or be removed”
A lot of instances are curated, they’re the supreme mods after all. Some delay your posts until they can curate them, and some just remove them. It’s the way it be.
This isn’t said and understood enough. Instances on the Fediverse aren’t free-for-all, apolitical places without ideology. Some try to be (with varying success) but being active in the Fediverse and especially running an instance is in itself a fairly ideological and political act. So chances are instances reflect their owners’ ideology. And that is great because one has places to be if an instance doesn’t suit them, unlike corpo platdorms where one ideology drives most of them.
This. Just imagine if all of Lemmy was like one instance or another. The whole point of the fediverse is that there can be multiple instances, and you can just gravitate towards the ones that align with your own views.
Except it would be nice if the instances were honest about their rules, or at least that they would be described somewhere written down, rather than people having to continually find out the hard way (such as OP).
The only thing that bugs me about it is that the largest instances can control what most people see.
True. It’s definitely not a perfect, problem-solved thing. Merely an (significant?) improvement from the corporate status quo.
The great thing about lemmy’s design is that that’s not really true. I’m seeing this criticism of .ml despite being on .ml, because most of the posts that I see on lemmy are not on my home instance. At least half the time, I’m having discussions outside of my “home turf.”
When you have a space that agrees on certain base assumptions, it becomes easier to have more in depth and thoughtful discussions, because you don’t have to focus on just proving or advocating for those basic assumptions over and over again, and watching every word you say to make sure it can’t be twisted or misinterpreted to paint you in a negative light. By contrast, sharing a space with ideological opponents often means people tend to dig in and just make snipes at each other, everybody’s just grandstanding and trying to get owns in, and the level of discussion is brought down to name-calling and accusations.
At the same time, yes, echo chambers are a concern. If you’re never exposed to opposing viewpoints, obviously that’s not great either. We can see that happen on any number of subreddits. And if we were on different subreddits instead of on different instances, I wouldn’t be seeing this criticism, and you wouldn’t be seeing my response to it.
The way the fediverse is designed inherently addresses both of those concerns. You can have a space where the discussions assume a shared ideology allowing for in depth discussions, but then you’re also federated with other spaces with different shared assumptions. The “tankie” creators of lemmy designed it this way on purpose, for that reason. To allow minority views (including but not limited to their own) to have spaces for discussion, without becoming isolated. To allow for higher level discussions with shared assumptions while also allowing for interactions between groups with different assumptions.
This is why all this hand-wringing over .ml’s censorship is kind of silly. Because people on .ml are constantly seeing content from other instances with completely different policies, and that is not in spite of what the .ml’s admins want, they literally designed it that way on purpose.
The only censorship that really matters on the fediverse is defederation.
and those other instances can also moderate and delete comments and posts for all other instances unless archived or crossposted. If a lemmy.world mod deletes a comment in a lemmy.world post, I won’t be able to see it from over here in db0
Why are you writing tankie in quotes?
Because I disagree with the term. The admins are not “tankies,” they are Marxist-Leninists.
What makes someone a “tankie” is that they “defend” certain states. In practice, “defending” often includes just refuting misinformation, for example, if I refute that “everyone in North Korea gets the same haircut” then I’m “defending” it and therefore a “tankie.” It can also mean acknowledging accomplishments, saying any good thing about any socialist state, like, “Cuba had a very successful literacy program,” which is just an objective historical fact. “Tankie” is supposed to mean someone who blindly supports everything a socialist state has ever done, in practice, it means someone who supports anything a socialist state has ever done.
Before it was “tankie” it was “pinko,” and before that “red.” That kind of red scare bullshit has allowed blatant misinformation to run rampant, because even rational people avoid pushing back on it for fear of being labelled a “tankie.” As stories about how all communists eat babies or whatnot run rampant, it has in turn hurt the reputation of both leftists and liberals, because it literally doesn’t matter how hard you try to distance yourself from the far-left, you’ll still get associated with it. Joe Biden got called a communist for Christ’s sake. To put it another way:
Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being “smeared” as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.
The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged elements of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little difference whether their wealth and power is challenged by “communist subversives” or “loyal American liberals.” All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.
- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds
That is why I put “tankie” in quotes.
Im glad youre taking the steps to enjoy lemmy your way. Take care stranger.
It is so blatantly obvious. Worse than the_donald was on reddit. Pure Chinese and Russia propaganda. Overtly negative on anything from the west and won’t allow anything negative about Russia, China, etc.
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I’m in China right now, ama.
Here’s a random bike I saw a couple hours ago
“Overtly negative on anything from the West” lol.
Make sure you vote blue no matter who, lol.
How’s the effort to start a communist revolution going?
How’s the genocide going?
Nice pivot
Following your lead.
The mods do whatever they want, many break their own posted rules with regularity.
In my experience, in Lemmy they are more apt to delete a comment then ban, so that is nice.
There’s no logic to it. I’ve said “The nation ___________ says this, their motto is ___________ … (and then repeat their own slogan from their own officials).”
Delete. 100% true, easily verifiable everywhere, public information pertaining to the discussion, deleted.
So, if you’re censored or banned, that just means that you’re a thinking person with reasonable opinions who bases your conclusions on the factual information available to you.
It’s a good thing. Thank God.
If they agree with you, please get help immediately. Time is short.
The path to enlightenment.
I’ve blocked all .lm instances and even now piefed. The creator or piefed bans anyone who criticizes his dumb ass decisions. Well that’s fine, there a reason the entirety of piefed as a software has been decreasing population.
Also there are occasional mods that just love to jerk themselves. The dumb taco truck mod on the Star Trek instance will ban you if you say you don’t like new Star Trek, but that dumbass just moderates two mostly dead communities, so it’s okay
Pretty sure he’s under the delusion it’ll blow over and be forgotten. Now he posts as Kirk on startrek.website.
Gross.
😀
I’m just a user here but three days ago I was banned from some community without any explanation. Some moderator accused me of being a rapist because of one comment that they deleted and no one could read. After some comments trying to find out what was happening, I was banned. I didn’t see before, but in that community, in the blahaj something instance, they warn something like ‘no tankies’. I’m in lemmy.ml, and I guess that makes me a tankie.
These instance wars are bullshit.
Did you randomly join Lemmy.ml without knowing what it was? If so, that sucks. If you’re not too attached to your account, you could just create a new one on Lemmy.today or something and be rid of the ml baggage.
That’s what I did at first, I just joined ml without understanding much about instances. To be honest, at first I thought it was a pretty chill instance, people were pretty nice in the local subs. But at some point I started to get banned without explanation from different community, where I was just giving different opinion and disagreeing with some people, nothing extreme and no insults. Then one day, boom, just no account at all. Since then I’ve seen quite a few disturbing things from that instance. Nothing to the level of the insufferable Hexbear, but yeah, I’m guessing there are quite a few users that just went with ml because it’s one of the first instance that shows up when you search for Lemmy.
I mean when I joined .world I didn’t know it was going to be a neoliberal smorgasbord. I just stick around due to laziness mostly.
Yup, same here!
well, lemmy.ml has a significant userbase acting as “tankies”, and in turn other instances are overly suspicious of anyone from ml, but I can’t blame them for that. the “tankies” they speak about just make new accounts when they find out people started blocking them. It’s such a shame that new users mostly end up on ml. the devs are enjoying that they can use it to spread their politics, and make controversy in the fediverse.
Yep I don’t immediately assume someone from ml is a tankie, but it’s going to make me more wary that even normal stuff they say is just being a mask on tankie.
They should defederate. They are treating everyone in ML like shit. And why would I change to an instance that treats people like shit, anyway? Isn’t that the problem in the first place? What I do is just strip apart the instance part in usernames and treat everyone as equals, fuck, I must be a commie. BTW, my account is 6 yo, you know, when lemmy.ml was basically the only instance with some certainty around.
You don’t have to change your instance but you willingly live in a shit hole and we will treat you like you live in a shit hole. You are free to move at any time. It would cost you nothing. There is no sacredivity to having an older account, I’ve been through to others because my original two instances have since closed. There is no karma. There is no score. There is only here and now.
Let me tell you. It’s not about my account, it’s exactly this: as soon as they don’t agree with others, users like you start treating others like shit. Why would I want to go to an instance to share my time with people like you? Lol, no, thank you. You are now in my blocked users list.
Wow you really showed them 👏 They’re in your blocked users list 😮
This but unironically. Just block stuff you don’t like and move on. I get a lot more annoyed by these posts bitching about ml than ml, because i have ml blocked already. Because i don’t want to see ml anywhere on my feed. Except now i do and now i have another OP to block.
It’s basically a rite of passage for a new lemmy user to get banned from half of .ml for a completely mundane comment they made.
Reminds me of some zio article I read lately that says in reality democrasy does not work in the middleast and that Israel is the only democrasy in the middleeast…etc ,… without mentioning that in reality the US steps in to slaughter every middleastern country the moment they try democrasy, and forces them to install a puppet dictatorship government that works for the intrests of israel and US.
Democracy works when it serves USA’s interest.
Which democratic countries did the US install dictatorship to apart from Iran which was more the UK(BP) thing?
I mean. You can also just go to their front page and read the “about this instance” paragraph where they clarify that they support a specific political ideology and will not tolerate dissent.
They explicitly built a walled garden. Don’t be surprised they maintain the walls. There are other instances.
Not only that but they explicitly said years ago that they WANTED someone to go make a liberal instance for liberals to use and do their own thing. Which is what happened. Yet people continue to throw a fit that .ml maintains its policies. The entire point of lemmy is that you can choose the instance that works best for you! The entire reason many of the original people came to lemmy was that reddit banned Marxist-Leninist (what you would call “tankie”) communities. And even many just vaguely leftist spaces. So people made their own thing where no one person controls what is allowed and what isn’t. That’s what federation is all about. If you don’t like that there are instances that disagree with you on a fundamental level and ban you for your opinions then you don’t actually understand what the point of federation is to begin with. I mean ML is in the name. What did you expect?
(edit to clarify I’m asking the OP not the commenter I am agreeing with the commenter.)
Recently there seems to be some of misunderstanding what the lemmy.ml instance is about, especially from newer users.
Lemmy.ml has always been a niche site, and it will most likely stay this way. We don’t have any intentions to turn it into a mainstream instance, or set a goal of getting as many users as possible. Our goal is simple: make an instance that people like to use. I would say that we have been successful in this, but obviously it is impossible to satisfy everyone.
The reason for this is that @dessalines and I are paid to develop Lemmy, while donations from lemmy.ml users only make up a negligible part of our income. Besides, having more users would force us to spend more time moderating, and less time for development. Lemmy works quite differently from big tech sites like Reddit in this regard: while they get more money with each extra user through advertising, for us it is the opposite. So we would much rather have a smaller, non-toxic, and friendly userbase, than a large one.
Part of the problem might be that lemmy.ml is described as “flagship instance”, which can certainly be interpreted to mean “mainstream” or “general purpose”. I struggle to come up with a better, more accurate description. If you can think of one, please comment here.
If you dont like the way lemmy.ml works, thats okay. Federation exists exactly to solve that problem, let different groups have their own instances, with their own rules and political views. You can see the list of existing instances, and instructions for setting up a new one on join-lemmy.org.
In particular, I would like to see someone (or a group of people) create a mainstream, or liberal instance. That should help to avoid further drama, and avoid attempts to turn lemmy.ml into something that it is not. @dessalines and I would certainly be willing to help with any technical problems that such an instance runs into, and include it on join-lemmy.org (just like any other instance that meets the code of conduct).
The problem is that it’s the developers’ instance and they promote it as a default general use instance and not a explicit political ideological instance so it has a significant portion of people just trying to join the network.
I would recommend someone looking to join the threadiverse to use piefed over Lemmy for that reason (of course piefed has its own problematic “features” with regards to default mute lists and transparency)
In my experience it’s not an explicit political ideological instance. I’m there all the time and never get called anything because I think this or that, except when I’m outside of ML, where I get “tankie” a lot.
Anyone who uses “tankies” unironically is a braindead basement dweller keyboard warrior who has zero critical thinking skills.
Why is it a problem? Literally every single major social media platform has an ideological slant. Twitter (X) is the nazi one, reddit is the like omega liberal vote blue no matter who one, facebook is mindless reaction, etc. If lemmy.world was considered the “default” instance I could say the same thing about it being different than my own political beliefs.
I think the problem is that people can’t handle seeing places they aren’t welcome anymore. Marxist-Leninists are allowed to have their own spaces, and do not have to cater to other peoples views. There is ALWAYS going to be a dominant ideology and a set of rules on each instance. You don’t agree with the ones lemmy.ml has. That’s okay.
Algorithmic social media silos people into their little boxes where they only see what they want to see. People are so used to that now that imo they’ve forgotten how to handle being faced with a place/group of people who just fundamentally disagree with them, and are not open to hearing what they have to say. Yet that is just reality. People need to learn to deal the fact those places and those people exist.
Supporting the heavily anti LGBTQ imperialist state of Russia is not liberal.
Anyone who supports Russia is explicitly anti LGBTQ. You cannot be pro LGBTQ whilst supporting and defending a fascist government that treads on LGBTQ rights.
Neither is it liberal to claim that supporting the existence of Jews, whilst explicitly denouncing the genocide state of israel is a “zionist stance”, which geneve_convenience, the mod mentioned in this post literally verbatim did, and then banned someone over.
Super liberal, basically stating that Jews as a people, regardless of any individuals opinion, don’t deserve to exist, just because many of them are zionist. By that logic members of every major religion, as well as every single cis white male don’t deserve the right to exist as a people.
If you knew .ml, you would have known that they ain’t so solid on being labelled as liberals lmao.
I do want to thank them for vaccinating me from their ideology. Interacting with them made me realize that I’m a social democrat and not a full blown socialist
Any other self affirmations you wish to share with us?
Nah. Do you?
Which one do you have a problem with? The first rule?
That is the instance’s sidebar b██h. I followed your instructions and got there.
Ah, I see my instructions were not clear. You did great with the first step!
So the second step, I now realize the link isn’t “about this instance”, but it is actually labelled “what is lemmy.ml”. You can actually see it in your screenshot, right above the rules!
I’m very sorry for the confusion, I know it can be a complicated procedure.
Aww, look at the underhanded insults 😂
Here it is. Could you enlighten me with where it says that they “support a specific political ideology and will not tolerate dissent”?
Sadly, dumb shitheads like you have no capacity to read or question anything 😢
Well, at least you can read subtext half the time. Probably explains why you read for calling everyone “shithead”.
Astonishing creativity, by the way. Simply incredible
still not answering the question
Literally calls out “western social media”
Lol stop being dense…fucking tankies man…
Learn to disagree without being rude or disrespectful.
It can be difficult sometimes, since western social media thrives on collective outrage, and they knowingly ingrain this into us for years. But please do adhere to this rule, and it will make this place much more enjoyable.
duhh, how dare these damn tankees say that western social media thrives on outrage 😤
Not from Voyager iirc, which also iirc is by far the most used third party app? Also, for multiple years that what is Lemmy.ml link did not work - it pointed to a post, which I think a later version of Lemmy.ml allowed communities to be made private, and then they never bothered to check what would happen for anyone not logged into a ML account, so it would just give like a 404 not found error for everyone else.
Agreed that it’s not impossible to find out who they are - just that ML makes an exceedingly poor representation of the Threadiverse to people coming over here from Reddit. So when they see “death to the USA”, and they are… you know, in the USA, they often nope right out and not only never come back, they spread the word to anyone who will listen that that is what “we” here who use Lemmy are.
Btw, in case you were not aware, we are a tankie bar (see: Paradox of Intolerance).
Also, despite all the curation they perform within their garden, they won’t allow people to block the Lemmy.ml instance - so it’s not entirely a walled garden so much as it is a delivery system for the messages shared by Lemmy.ml users.
So when they see “death to the USA”, and they are… you know, in the USA, they often nope right out
I say death to america all the time and I live here
same. Honestly if I didn’t live in the US I would probably be less anti-american. Living here is very radicalizing.
I don’t live in the US and you’d bet that I’m more hostile towards your state than you, I can bet on that. If you see what your state has done from a developing country’s eyes, your mind will be broken.
I think you are underestimating me, but I’m glad you are against America. I won’t say what I think because that probably wouldn’t be such a good idea for my health. But trust me we’re on the same page.
I’m more curious how .ml users feel about that mod’s idea that rape is an acceptable action to do in certain contexts, for example if a woman served in a Western military.
I can understand all their political positions and opinions but that one seems beyond the pale.
My opinion is that geneva_convenience has been going off the deep end, getting worse and worse lately, and definitely should be removed as a mod, honestly just banned. He’s an edgelord who’s taking things to unreasonable extremes and trying to pick fights with everyone.
i agree, can’t stand them either and it’s only been getting worse
I only really saw it for myself when I said, “I’m completely opposed to the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel. I don’t have a problem with Jews existing,” and they responded by accusing me of being a “liberal Zionist” and “supporting genocide” and then blocking me.
I remembered Cowbee saying something about them before, I just looked it up and I gotta give props as always because he was calling them out 9 months ago for not reading theory of doing praxis and just watching Bad Empanada, and for apparently calling Hexbear “transzionist” and accusing them of defending Contrapoints’ stance on Israel, which is just bizarre.
It’s honestly very unfortunate. Geneva has had ample time and advice to move onto a better, more coherent worldview, when they seem to be taking the opposite path.
is that not what any good forum needs?
There’s a line.
Geneva convenience says I’m a “zio” because I say HAMAs commits war crimes.
Dude, they take pride in it. You can watch it… more videos than you could ever watch all of
(Yes, Israel commits war crimes and breaks the Geneva convention, too).
Geneva is more of a radlib and Bad Empanada stan than a principled communist. 80% of what they post is decent to good, and a solid 20% is horrendous.
That’s nothing unusual for a user who excused pedophilia and posted a fascist dogwhistle.
The authoritarian bootlicker server is doing authoritarian bootlicker things? Shocked, I say. Shocked!
the yandex datacenters getting hit, must be freaking them out right about now.
Fucking Christ. We aren’t on .ml but you wouldn’t know it from the number of people absolutely obsessed with them. Just ignore it if you don’t like it. Join a de-federated instance, block the communities, whatever. Bitching here has absolutely no impact.
Finally, based .world
Counterpoint - if we were on .ML these people would be blocked - they’re exercising their freedom.
We’re not on Reddit, Facebook, or X and you’ll find whole communities of haters for those sites, too.
Believe it or not, negativity tends to spread further than positivity in general as we are a risk-averse species, and it’s one of the documented harms of social media in general. You’re probably gonna find some version of this style of bitching no matter where ya go, it’s a human thing.
I share this to raise awareness, I can block the instance entirely! the more people see their abuse, the better for public awareness. If you don’t like this post, just downvote it or block my account,so you will not see anything like this again!
Continue being incredibly cringe in a very public way. Whatever you post, I wont be making a post every day complaining about you.
censoring facts and attacking tone instead of answering arguments prove my point
You were explained about a hundred times over how Western countries promoted Nazis into top roles and the USSR only used them for labor.
But instead of bringing any argument you repeatedly insulted users and .ml in the thread.
You were begging for a ban and got it. And now you whine about it here.
“after hitler our turn” was bad
get mad
mad because bad
Lol I love the lopsidedness of it all though.
Stalin allies with the Nazis and agrees to split Poland kicking off the whole shebang. Gets betrayed and goes scorched earth.
The west didn’t ask for war, avoided it, then blamed for not going scorched earth
Western Europe literally joined the Nazis. Stalin merely had a truce with them.
You also ignored all the Western truces with Hitler including by Britain.
Hahahaha no it wasn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
And for added lols; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
They had more than a truce. They had a full alliance. They planned together and the soviets completely engaged in aiding Germany with it’s assault.
It’s also likely Hitler betrayed the Russians and did what he had done because he was on fucking meth. A more level headed leader probably would’ve played the relationship different and work alongside the soviets even longer.
So to reiterate, they formed a full on alliance and focused on the cultural destruction of the Polish people. And it took Hitler on meth to betray the Russians for them to drop the relationship.
And how am I ignoring anything? It’s well known in history how the west aimed to appease Hitler and failed because it was understood how aggressive he was aiming to be and they didn’t want a second great war. It has nothing to do with the relationship between Hitler and Stalin. You’re just trying to smear blame and pull some whataboutism crap. It won’t fly.
The only factual thing here is that the red army entered formerly polish borders.
And as for evil ass polish operation nkvd it’s kinda like white genocide in south africa :v It even has it’s own Alex Jones like figure. Also what I think it’s really interesting here is that these nazi fucks gobbling taxes at the ipn couldn’t be bothered to even sum their gorillions eaten by stalin with the giant spoon correctly
check for yourself if you don’t believe me
And honestly I think it’s really fucking insulting to all the polish people killed by nazis to try to diminish their plight and sacrifice by inventing an atrocity. Polish nationalists do so since they hate polish people, you don’t care about poland so fuck off with that. Sincerely, a pole
Lol fuck you larper. I don’t care who or what the hell you are. History is history.
Last post 4 weeks ago. Then you suddenly fly into my comment down this chain and cry crocodile tears trying to represent people who lost their lives?
Yeah fuck off bozo
Last post 4 weeks ago. Then you suddenly fly into my comment
You judge person by how terminally online they are yet concept of “lurking” escapes you. Not to mention “real life”.
History is history.
What happened to history is written by the victors and other liberal catchphrases that try to frame pop history as actual history?
I assume you’re from usa, so an example of you believing word for word in narration of the polish state would be me believing word for word that at the blair mountain national guard defended the usa against UMWA and their bandits. Or more modern example would be iraq and their wmds. History is history after all…
I judge your larping by it’s larping
History is history, that’s why you get so fucking butt hurt when we teach you about it.
Did Stalin offer the West to fight Hitler with him before that truce and was ignored yes or no?
Damn y’all don’t read.
Go reread that last link. Soviet Russia had already begun a covert operation against Poland. Here’s the appropriate timeline.
1937 - Stalin kills about 100,000 Polish folk living in Russia at the time. This is called the NKVD Polish Operation.
1939(April) - Stalin signals alliance with Britain and France.
1939(August) - Stalin makes his alliance with Hitler.
You people try so hard to defend this man and just don’t know history. They didn’t wanna align with Stalin because his interest wasn’t in fighting Germany or stopping Nazis. It was control and power. He wanted an excuse to push troops into Poland under the guise of fighting the growing German threat and when that didn’t instantly form, he abandoned it and went straight to the Nazis.
Stalin had no interest in avoiding war. He outright went looking for it and tried to place himself in the best position for it. His own actions of murder and deceit is why nobody wanted to work with him.
So no. He did not offer a truce to fight Hitler. He killed 100,000 polish people and then scrambled and panicked that he’d be on the wrong side of the guns when war was going to inevitably break out. Not only did he directly aim to destroy Poland exactly like Germany but he ended up working with them to do exactly that.
Smh trying to frame shit to defend your daddy. Absolutely ridiculous
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Go swallow more of Stalin’s cock idiot.
The west didn’t ask for war
Who the fuck do you think Germany is lmfao?
Weird way to describe yourself as a moron
I hope you’re pretending to be stupid as fuck for a troll otherwise you need to let your parents know you’ve been shit posting on the internet again, lol.
Patton was right, we shouldn’t have stopped at the Elbe and should have went into Russia and torn down the USSR. The remnants is what’s attacking Ukraine…with Putin suggesting the USSR collapse was the worst geopolitical disaster of the century. Russia needed to be split up.
If the US would have been able to they would like the barbarians they are. The US barely fought in WW2 to begin with. They just swept in to take over half of Europe after the USSR defeated the Nazis at Stalingrad and the Nazis were already being pushed back.
Lol more ml bullshit. The US didn’t barely fight in the war lol
June 1941 is when the USSR flipped sides from splitting Europe with the Nazis to joining the allies. The US was already supplying material to the UK before that, and got attacked in Dec of 41. The US took on the Japanese basically by themselves, Australia would have fallen without our help. We also were the reason that the USSR survived with the lend lease program. You tankies are fucking hilarious though, try and change history to make the USSR the good guys who defeated the nazis all by themselves.
I forgot how they fought in Africa against Rommel, and in Italy and on the beaches of Normandy…and the Japanese in the Philippines…lol they fought on their own land and ended up taking over countries and west Germany… basically did what they agreed to do with the Nazis in the first place.
Don’t bother replying with your bullshit made up history, no one but you lot believe that shit.
The US ground invasion started after the Soviets won the war against Nazi Germany and the Soviets were on a push to take over all of Europe. The US swooped in from the back and claimed half the spoils of war while contributing far less.
Lend Lease was great for the US as well they could give weapons to others and have their troops die while no American troop was in danger. Sure it was a positive thing but the US didn’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
30 million Soviets died in WW2. Less than half a million Americans. The US contribution was nowhere near the Soviets.
I’m gonna pay this again so you can actually read it this time to make sense of why Stalin was a warmongering fuck.
Stalin saved europe from the Nazis.
Goddamn you dumbasses will huff the fuck out of your bullshit won’t you.
Soviets didn’t make it back to Poland until 44 and the US had been well into the war and fighting in Europe and Pacific theater for years.
The Soviets also lost so many because they just threw bodies at the nazis. Same shit they’re doing in Ukraine.
How many people died makes no difference on how they helped in defeating the nazis, they sided with for 2 years hoping to split up Europe with them.
Also way to leave off the final bit of the quote
"although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.”
Truman saw that the USSR was just as bad as nazi Germany…but it doesn’t fit your propaganda so…keep on with that russian shill bullshit.
Can you fit in a few more insults in between your NATO propaganda?
Typical tankies,pro-Russian propagandists. All my comments get deleted. These propagandists mix truths with false information to make it easier to spread their propaganda
Now you whine about it here.
This is how you defend your claim. I share this to raise awareness; the more people see lemmy.ml abuse, the better for public awareness.
Typical tankies,pro-Russian propagandists
Yes because you start off all your comments with insults and bring no arguments.
Thank you for proving my point again.
Where did I insult? do not lie and show the proof. I bring the argument but people like you deny,because it doesnt serve your agenda.
Are you saying you didn’t call people Russian propagandists and tankies before you got banned?
Yes I said, but this is not insulting! The is definition of what happening.
Oh my bad I didn’t realize yelling at every user they’re paid Russian propagandists is actually an insightful debate argument.
They’re right, dumbass
I decided to block the lemmy.ml instance entirely to avoid any further interaction.
Thank you ☺️
shame we can’t block all the users of the instance too.
Why are you still here? Go home.
So embarrassing that you follow every negative .ml post and comment this same comment on every one. What a fuckin loser lol
